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Re: Sandy ... mom GAVE AWAY her damaged car :/ help analyze! said by BloodDragon:Hate to be the only naysayer, but......
The major issue with flooding is when people run there car in flood waters and suck water into the motor through the exhaust during a stall.
Please explain how an engine can suck water in through the exhaust. This statement really gives you no credibility. |
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Beezel
join:2008-12-15
Las Vegas, NV | said by rjgogo:said by BloodDragon:Hate to be the only naysayer, but......
The major issue with flooding is when people run there car in flood waters and suck water into the motor through the exhaust during a stall.
Please explain how an engine can suck water in through the exhaust. This statement really gives you no credibility. Without the engine running "stalled" if the exhaust is submerged the water can fill the exhaust and go into the engine if the water level is high enough to fill up to the exhaust manifold. There will be some exhaust valves open to let the water in.
said by Rambo76098:No they won't. KBB on these isn't much more than that in fair condition... and this one is worthless. Engine, transmission, and everything electrical is completly ruined. Interior is ruined. Only thing even remotely salvageable is some of the body, and even that is questionable because it was submerged in several feet of salt water.
The salt water wont hurt the metal because it wasn't under for a long time plus the factory electroplating for corrosion on the metal, primer, and paint also. There is money in the glass, plastic, also you have the tires and wheels. So the price could add up if you part it out. |
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| said by Beezel:said by rjgogo:said by BloodDragon:Hate to be the only naysayer, but......
The major issue with flooding is when people run there car in flood waters and suck water into the motor through the exhaust during a stall.
Please explain how an engine can suck water in through the exhaust. This statement really gives you no credibility. Without the engine running "stalled" if the exhaust is submerged the water can fill the exhaust and go into the engine if the water level is high enough to fill up to the exhaust manifold. There will be some exhaust valves open to let the water in. If the water is high enough it comes in from the intake, not the exhaust and salt water in a cylinder for days means trashed.
The car is a wreck and they were lucky to get someone to take it away and still make $250. The buyers may make something but it was not a rip off. |
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Beezel
join:2008-12-15
Las Vegas, NV | said by rjgogo:If the water is high enough it comes in from the intake, not the exhaust and salt water in a cylinder for days means trashed.
The exhaust manifolds are "usually" lower than the actual opening to the intake not air box, so it can enter from the exhaust just as well. Also you can clean, machine, and repair the engine block and head cores themselves and use in a total rebuild. Been there and done that and have the t-shirt and calluses from it. |
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i had a Ford Probe get water into the air intake and stall. Took it to Ford and they had to replace the engine. My insurance paid 6500 and I paid my deductible of 500 plus I had to pay a betterment charge of 1100 for a new engine, I had 36,000 miles on it.
A month later, I received a letter from ford saying there was a recall on my car. They needed to install a water filter on the air intake to keep high standing water from entering the engine risking engine failure.
Took the letter to the ford dealership that did the work and two weeks later received a full refund on the new engine. I was very lucky I guess you could say, lol. |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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said by Beezel:Also you can clean, machine, and repair the engine block and head cores themselves and use in a total rebuild. Been there and done that and have the t-shirt and calluses from it. It's not a question of whether or not it can be rebuilt. It's a matter of if it's economically viable to rebuild it. Properly rebuilding the engine and transmission alone is going to be more than the vehicle is worth. That doesn't account for all the other electrical items that are going to need to be replaced, the new interior, or all the other gremlins that are going to show up. |
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| said by cdru:said by Beezel:Also you can clean, machine, and repair the engine block and head cores themselves and use in a total rebuild. Been there and done that and have the t-shirt and calluses from it. It's not a question of whether or not it can be rebuilt. It's a matter of if it's economically viable to rebuild it. Properly rebuilding the engine and transmission alone is going to be more than the vehicle is worth. That doesn't account for all the other electrical items that are going to need to be replaced, the new interior, or all the other gremlins that are going to show up. exactly, its a 3.8 v6, great engine but a dime a dozen, i had a spotless 97 grand prix and when the head gasket went south it was cheaper for me to pick up an 02 grand prix than fix it. |
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Beezel
join:2008-12-15
Las Vegas, NV
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said by cdru:It's not a question of whether or not it can be rebuilt. It's a matter of if it's economically viable to rebuild it. Properly rebuilding the engine and transmission alone is going to be more than the vehicle is worth. That doesn't account for all the other electrical items that are going to need to be replaced, the new interior, or all the other gremlins that are going to show up.
Sorry but there is a misunderstanding.
I am not talking about the owner rebuild it wouldn't be worth it. A salvage yard or the person (whichever bought it) can make money from it. They sell the engine core to engine remanufactures like Jasper. Sell the other parts on Craigslist or such, if the salvage yard has it they sell all the usable parts outright. So there is money in flooded vehicles in the parts business. $250 paid for car could be easily recovered by the buyer.
said by telco_mtl:exactly, its a 3.8 v6, great engine but a dime a dozen, i had a spotless 97 grand prix and when the head gasket went south it was cheaper for me to pick up an 02 grand prix than fix it.
Yes, but there are those that want a warranty on a rebuilt engine and not a used one. So they are willing to pay the price for it. If they didn't those reman engine shops wouldn't be in business very long. |
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| said by Beezel:Yes, but there are those that want a warranty on a rebuilt engine and not a used one. So they are willing to pay the price for it. If they didn't those reman engine shops wouldn't be in business very long.
i agree, but for THAT particular engine in multiple GM cars, my replacement grand prix cost me less than the price of a re-build, had 3 months warranty and well was newer.
I dont know about in your parts, but just to give an idea on how common (and reliable) the 3.8 is here at the salvage yards you can get a 1 year warranty 3.8 for 400$, compared to the 2.4l 4cyl that was in the sunfire, its 1300$! |
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