 Jack_in_VAPremium join:2007-11-26 Mathews, VA kudos:1 | reply to Tig
Re: cement experts - does this look right? said by Tig:Mention to the inspector that you have concerns and are going to consult a civil engineer. His word trumps the inspector. Don't be antagonistic or confrontational. Also follow up with the general contractor to let him know the plan. Insist that your guy be allowed to inspect the foundation before any repair/cover work up us done. Other wise they may just patch, parge and run. I've had a difference of opinion with an inspector a couple times and in both cases they suggested consulting an engineer so that I could have it my way. I've paid $75 and $140 for an engineer,s stamped letter. It's a pain, but it's much cheaper than lawyers. Also, once the framing starts check the level on the corner in the first pic. That's quite a flare to the top of the foundation. I'm sure if you make the inspector look bad you better not have the least thing in your construction not completely up to code. Payback is no fun if you're on the receiving end. People on here can talk tough. After all they (we) are anonymous and will suffer no consequences.
IMO the best thing for the OP is to wait for the inspection and go from there if he has to. I'm sure there are many certified experts that will gladly assist him if needed. |
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1 edit | Jack, it's not about making the inspector look bad. Quite the opposite, It's about peace of mind. The engineer will prescribe a sound solution and that takes the burden off the inspector. Besides, the OP asked for expert input. Civil engineer is at the top of that food chain. |
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 Jack_in_VAPremium join:2007-11-26 Mathews, VA kudos:1 | said by Tig:Jack, it's not about making the inspector look bad. Quite the opposite, It's about peace of mind. The engineer will prescribe a sound solution and that takes the burden off the inspector. Besides, the OP asked for expert input. Civil engineer is at the top of that food chain. Evidently you've never encountered a vindictive inspector have you? He/she can make your life pure hell from that minute on. A "sound solution" by someone that counters the inspectors determination does not take any burden off the inspector. More like puts a chip on his shoulder.
Give the inspector a chance. Good grief he/she has not even inspected it yet. |
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 Beezel join:2008-12-15 Las Vegas, NV | reply to Jack_in_VA said by Jack_in_VA:I'm sure if you make the inspector look bad you better not have the least thing in your construction not completely up to code. Payback is no fun if you're on the receiving end. People on here can talk tough. After all they (we) are anonymous and will suffer no consequences.
IMO the best thing for the OP is to wait for the inspection and go from there if he has to. I'm sure there are many certified experts that will gladly assist him if needed. If the construction was new and not code compliant (per ticked off inspector), would that fall on the contractor's shoulders and not the home owner? |
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 Jack_in_VAPremium join:2007-11-26 Mathews, VA kudos:1 | said by Beezel:said by Jack_in_VA:I'm sure if you make the inspector look bad you better not have the least thing in your construction not completely up to code. Payback is no fun if you're on the receiving end. People on here can talk tough. After all they (we) are anonymous and will suffer no consequences.
IMO the best thing for the OP is to wait for the inspection and go from there if he has to. I'm sure there are many certified experts that will gladly assist him if needed. If the construction was new and not code compliant (per ticked off inspector), would that fall on the contractor's shoulders and not the home owner? Most definitely but in the end the contractor is working for the customer and if the contractor has problems with the AHJ's then the customer will suffer. I can tell you that if you aggravate an inspector too much you better be ready. |
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| reply to Jack_in_VA ] Been there done that. We used to have problems with the plumbing inspector in this one town. He would make shit up just to fail inspections. Being Illinois, we have fairly strict state codes. A city/county may made additional requirements as long as it makes the code more restrictive than state, but you must have an ordinance to do so. The plumbers would play the game but when it would get out of hand a plumber would call his bluff. The inspector and plumber would go to Springfield and present their cases to the Department of Public Health. The DPH guy would excuse the plumber but hold back the inspector, to which he would give him an ear full. Needless to say they would get tired of this and would call the city to have him fired. They went through 6 inspectors in 4 years before they found someone that knew what they were doing. |
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 Jack_in_VAPremium join:2007-11-26 Mathews, VA kudos:1 | said by kherr:] Been there done that. We used to have problems with the plumbing inspector in this one town. He would make shit up just to fail inspections. Being Illinois, we have fairly strict state codes. A city/county may made additional requirements as long as it makes the code more restrictive than state, but you must have an ordinance to do so. The plumbers would play the game but when it would get out of hand a plumber would call his bluff. The inspector and plumber would go to Springfield and present their cases to the Department of Public Health. The DPH guy would excuse the plumber but hold back the inspector, to which he would give him an ear full. Needless to say they would get tired of this and would call the city to have him fired. They went through 6 inspectors in 4 years before they found someone that knew what they were doing. Exactly what I was referring to. They can make life miserable. |
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| reply to Jack_in_VA Sure I have. I had an inspector go off on me over a home I designed. I made an appointment to see him. We sat down, he backed off. I have a great relationship with that county now. If you're knowledgeable and respectful, it works out. In the end, code is code. It's all in black and white. |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1 | reply to Jack_in_VA said by Jack_in_VA:Most definitely but in the end the contractor is working for the customer this
said by Jack_in_VA:and if the contractor has problems with the AHJ's then the customer will suffer. I can tell you that if you aggravate an inspector too much you better be ready. the inspector is not god, and as a civil servant, is also an employee of the owner. This being said, this should be resolved outside of the AHJ's oversight.
As the owner, I would not allow it even to go to inspection, then again, I have a little experience in these sort of things.
Back to your original point, having a pissed off contractor is no picnic either. -- * seek help if having trouble coping --Standard disclaimers apply.-- |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1 | These things happen even with the best contractors, (but more often with the worst) Its what the contractor does to rectify the situation that makes him a good one or a hack. -- * seek help if having trouble coping --Standard disclaimers apply.-- |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM join:2003-05-14 Fort Wayne, IN kudos:7 | reply to AVD said by AVD:the inspector is not god, and as a civil servant, is also an employee of the owner. No, he's not an employee of the owner. He's an employee of the state/city/county/whatever. You pay a permit and/or inspection fee, but that doesn't make him an employee of you. He is supposed to be unbiased and not have a dog in the fight with determining which side wins as long as the work is done to code. |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1 | said by cdru: He's an employee of the state/city/county/whatever. which makes him an employee of the people of the state/city/county/whatever. -- * seek help if having trouble coping --Standard disclaimers apply.-- |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM join:2003-05-14 Fort Wayne, IN kudos:7 | said by AVD:which makes him an employee of the people of the state/city/county/whatever. You don't determined if he is hired/fired. You don't determine his job performance. You don't get to tell him what to do or not do. You don't set rules for his job. There is no employer-employee relationship between you and him. He works for the people, but he is not your employee. |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1 | The inspector has to give professional courtesy to the contractors, but they have to be courteous to the public too. I cannot think of any public service employee (that is not uniformed) that can get away with a vendetta against a citizen. -- * seek help if having trouble coping --Standard disclaimers apply.-- |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM join:2003-05-14 Fort Wayne, IN kudos:7 | said by AVD:I cannot think of any public service employee (that is not uniformed) that can get away with a vendetta against a citizen. EPA, IRS, FBI, Department of Health, DHS, DoD, prosecutors office, ... |
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 AVonGaussPremium join:2007-11-01 Boynton Beach, FL | reply to AVD You're talking philosophy, cdru is talking in practice. |
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| reply to AVD said by AVD: I cannot think of any public service employee (that is not uniformed) that can get away with a vendetta against a citizen. Are you SURE you live in NJ?? |
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 JoelC707Premium join:2002-07-09 West Point, GA kudos:5 | reply to AVD said by AVD:The inspector has to give professional courtesy to the contractors, but they have to be courteous to the public too. I cannot think of any public service employee (that is not uniformed) that can get away with a vendetta against a citizen. While in practice I agree with you, this is the way it should be handled. Unfortunately too often it isn't handled this way. What it really boils to is do you have the money to fight "city hall"? Some do and I've seen some that have that trump card hidden up their sleeve. Trust me, you NEED that trump card if you try and take on "city hall" because otherwise they generally have the "my shit don't stink" and "I can do whatever I want" attitude that really needs to be put back in it's place. |
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