 DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002
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 ·Bell Sympatico
| No Photo ID? No Health Card For You! Looks like OHIP has egg in their face. A 96 year old woman with no photo ID. No photo ID? No health card!
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A 96-year-old Ottawa woman who lost her Ontario health card says she's in a "jam" and caught up in red tape trying to get a replacement because she doesn't have proper photo identification.
Two weeks ago, Elizabeth Stead went for tests at a local clinic and discovered her health card was missing.
She was issued a 90-day temporary card, but replacing her original is proving next to impossible because she doesn't have a driver's licence or other required photo ID, according to her son, Richard Stead.
"No one ever thought through the implications when they were creating it: What to do in a case like my mother’s?" Richard Stead told CBC News.
"She has lots of documents. She has her birth certificate, her marriage certificate, proof that she came to Canada. But none of it’s good enough now unless you have a photo ID.
"And to get a photo ID, you have to have a photo ID. That’s the paradox," he added.
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
join:2006-08-30
HarperLand | Sort of like US Voter ID laws that require you to have ID to get voter ID.
I love to know who comes up with these stupid rules. |
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 DavidTShe turned me into a newt
join:2006-09-01
Oakville, ON | reply to DKS
»www.ontario.ca/government/ontario-photo-card |
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DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002
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| said by DavidT:http://www.ontario.ca/government/ontario-photo-card
Link to documents is dead... which is no surprise.
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 donoreoPremium
join:2002-05-30
North York, ON | said by DKS:said by DavidT:http://www.ontario.ca/government/ontario-photo-card
Link to documents is dead... which is no surprise. um, nope. It took me to another page with pretty much had the same link and then to this page:
»www.ontario.ca/government/accept···to-card#
List 1: 1 document required
Only 1 document is required to satisfy all three data elements
Identity Documents
Legal Name1
Date of Birth
Signature
1. Passport - Canadian2
2. Passport - Foreign2
3. Canadian Citizenship Card with photo3
4. Canadian Permanent Resident Card
5. Record of Landing (Form IMM 1000)
Exceptions: see footnotes2,4
6. Confirmation of Permanent Resident Form (IMM 5292)
7. Refugee Status Claim (IMM 1434) Exception: see footnote2
8. Acknowledgement of Intent to Claim Refugee Status (IMM 7703) with photo
9. Report Pursuant to the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IMM 1442) with photo5
10. Student Authorization/Study Permit (Form 1442)5
11. Employment Authorization /Work Permit (Form 1442)5
12. Visitor Record (Form 1442)5
13. Temporary Resident’s Permit (IMM 1442)5
- formerly Minister’s Permit/Extension of Minister’s Permit
14. Secure Certificate of Indian Status Card
- issued by the Canadian Federal Government
15. Driver’s Licence or Enhanced Driver’s Licence
- issued by Ontario6,7
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NCRGuy
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Ottawa, ON | What donoreo said. She can get the photo card, and then get her health card. Sounds like exactly the kind of situation the photo card was designed for. |
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elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
join:2006-08-30
HarperLand | reply to donoreo
A 98 old woman will have none of the above.
She might have a birth certificate, but it'd be so old they probably won't accept it. |
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donoreoPremium
join:2002-05-30
North York, ON | reply to NCRGuy
said by NCRGuy:What donoreo said. She can get the photo card, and then get her health card. Sounds like exactly the kind of situation the photo card was designed for.
That is just the list of "any one is good" here is the list of "any two of these"
List 2: 2 documents required
2 documents are required to satisfy all three data elements
Identity Documents
1. Birth Certificate issued by a Canadian or US jurisdiction8
2. Certified Copy of Marriage Certificate (issued by Ontario only)
3. Certified Copy of Statement of Live Birth (issued by Ontario only)
4. Canadian Certificate of Indian Status - issued by the Canadian Federal Government
5. Driver’s Licence or Enhanced Driver’s Licence - issued by another Canadian or a US jurisdiction
6. Identity Card - issued by a Canadian or US jurisdiction
7. Ontario health card
8. Ontario student card with signature9
9. Declaration from a Guarantor SR-LD-4010
10. Department of National Defence (DND) identity card
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NCRGuy
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Ottawa, ON | reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues:A 98 old woman will have none of the above.
She might have a birth certificate, but it'd be so old they probably won't accept it.
Read the article before commenting please. She has "lots of documents", including a birth certificate and a marriage certificate. That, along with a declaration from a guarantor, should be enough to get her a photo card. Then she can get her health card. |
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donoreoPremium
join:2002-05-30
North York, ON | said by NCRGuy:said by elwoodblues:A 98 old woman will have none of the above.
She might have a birth certificate, but it'd be so old they probably won't accept it.
Read the article before commenting please. She has "lots of documents", including a birth certificate and a marriage certificate. That, along with a declaration from a guarantor, should be enough to get her a photo card. Then she can get her health card. According to what I posted above, it is. I think these people just do not know what they are doing and instead of figuring it out, they are whining to the media.
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The irony of common sense, it is not that common.
I cannot deny anything I did not say.
A kitten dies every time someone uses "then" and "than" incorrectly.
I mock people who give their children odd spelling of names. |
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said by NCRGuy:Read the article before commenting please. She has "lots of documents", including a birth certificate and a marriage certificate. That, along with a declaration from a guarantor, should be enough to get her a photo card. Then she can get her health card. Bingo. That is the exact path we had to go through with my sister who doesn't have a drivers license.
Though I should point out that it is by no means anywhere even remotely close to being what I would call an easy process. |
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Something doesn't sound right about this story.
»www.health.gov.on.ca/english/pub···ard.html
Whether applying for a new or replacement health card, you must bring three original documents to prove citizenship/immigration status, residency in Ontario and identity (refer to the Ontario Health Coverage Document List(form 9998E-82)).
You may be asked for additional documents. For example, if your name has changed you may need to provide a marriage certificate or a change of name certificate.
Children older than 15½ years of age must register in person and have their photo and signature captured. They will need their own original documents.
You do not need to go to a ServiceOntario centre if :
Your photo health card is lost, stolen or damaged (e.g., card is broken, magnetic stripe doesn't work)
Your child is under 15 ½ years of age and needs to renew his or her photo health card (refer to Renewing Your Photo Health Card)
You are 80 years of age or older and receive a notice allowing you to renew your photo health card by mail and you have no changes to name or address (refer to Renewing Your Photo Health Card)
If you need a replacement photo health card you can make your request by telephone or in writing as long as you have not changed any information as shown on the card itself, or the card has not expired.
January 2012
»www.forms.ssb.gov.on.ca/mbs/ssb/···-82E.pdf
You need 1 document from each list. There are types of non photo id in each list.
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That sucks. They did the right thing issuing her a temp one until she can get her ID in order though. Anyhow, this is a reason for her to go get some photo ID. Seems like she is able enough to do the foot work if she went to get a new health card. |
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 AnavSarcastic Llama? Naw, Just AcerbicPremium
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Dartmouth, NS
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then she shouldnt have to pay taxes  |
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Discover Ontario....bureaucracy. |
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DKSDamn Kidney StonesPremium,ExMod 2002
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said by NCRGuy:said by elwoodblues:A 98 old woman will have none of the above.
She might have a birth certificate, but it'd be so old they probably won't accept it.
Read the article before commenting please. She has "lots of documents", including a birth certificate and a marriage certificate. That, along with a declaration from a guarantor, should be enough to get her a photo card. Then she can get her health card. The point is "Why should she have to do that, spend an additional $35 for the photo ID when the probability that she is who she is without photo ID is realistic and significant? And why should she have to wait longer to get the photo ID and then the OHIP card?"
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yyzlhr
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| said by DKS:said by NCRGuy:said by elwoodblues:A 98 old woman will have none of the above.
She might have a birth certificate, but it'd be so old they probably won't accept it.
Read the article before commenting please. She has "lots of documents", including a birth certificate and a marriage certificate. That, along with a declaration from a guarantor, should be enough to get her a photo card. Then she can get her health card. The point is "Why should she have to do that, spend an additional $35 for the photo ID when the probability that she is who she is without photo ID is realistic and significant? And why should she have to wait longer to get the photo ID and then the OHIP card?" So we should just issue OHIP cards to anyone who walks in the door now because they probably are who they say they are? |
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 Wolfie00My dog is an elitistPremium
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I suspect that the problem is related to the fact that while Service Ontario offices have some discretion related to what is acceptable documentation, they have absolutely zero discretion when it comes to the federal documentation related to citizenship or legal residency, such as passport or proof of citizenship, even though it may be "obvious" that she is who she says she is. |
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so to solve this she gets here social worker take here to a justice of the peace
then she also goes with here and they WILL GIVE you the card
then you get a money mart prepaid visa put 65$ on it and send for your birth certificate ( yup thats 30$ extra BUT i got mine in ONE BUSINESS day this way...) then you take the birt cert and health card down to services canada and do your sin application
10 days later you got your sin card
total time to get both cards 13 business days....
longest being the sin card....of 10 business days. |
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said by DKS:Looks like OHIP has egg in their face. A 96 year old woman with no photo ID. No photo ID? No health card!
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A 96-year-old Ottawa woman who lost her Ontario health card says she's in a "jam" and caught up in red tape trying to get a replacement because she doesn't have proper photo identification.
Two weeks ago, Elizabeth Stead went for tests at a local clinic and discovered her health card was missing.
She was issued a 90-day temporary card, but replacing her original is proving next to impossible because she doesn't have a driver's licence or other required photo ID, according to her son, Richard Stead.
"No one ever thought through the implications when they were creating it: What to do in a case like my mother’s?" Richard Stead told CBC News.
"She has lots of documents. She has her birth certificate, her marriage certificate, proof that she came to Canada. But none of it’s good enough now unless you have a photo ID.
"And to get a photo ID, you have to have a photo ID. That’s the paradox," he added.
birth cert you say ?
and did she have proof of address and something older with a sin number on it?
that without the birth cert i got my health card....so someone is boning around or since two years they changed the rules |
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