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DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
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Owen Sound, ON
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reply to NCRGuy

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

said by NCRGuy:

said by elwoodblues:

A 98 old woman will have none of the above.

She might have a birth certificate, but it'd be so old they probably won't accept it.

Read the article before commenting please. She has "lots of documents", including a birth certificate and a marriage certificate. That, along with a declaration from a guarantor, should be enough to get her a photo card. Then she can get her health card.

The point is "Why should she have to do that, spend an additional $35 for the photo ID when the probability that she is who she is without photo ID is realistic and significant? And why should she have to wait longer to get the photo ID and then the OHIP card?"
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yyzlhr

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Scarborough, ON
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said by DKS:

said by NCRGuy:

said by elwoodblues:

A 98 old woman will have none of the above.

She might have a birth certificate, but it'd be so old they probably won't accept it.

Read the article before commenting please. She has "lots of documents", including a birth certificate and a marriage certificate. That, along with a declaration from a guarantor, should be enough to get her a photo card. Then she can get her health card.

The point is "Why should she have to do that, spend an additional $35 for the photo ID when the probability that she is who she is without photo ID is realistic and significant? And why should she have to wait longer to get the photo ID and then the OHIP card?"

So we should just issue OHIP cards to anyone who walks in the door now because they probably are who they say they are?


Wolfie00
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I suspect that the problem is related to the fact that while Service Ontario offices have some discretion related to what is acceptable documentation, they have absolutely zero discretion when it comes to the federal documentation related to citizenship or legal residency, such as passport or proof of citizenship, even though it may be "obvious" that she is who she says she is.


nitzguy
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join:2002-07-11
Sudbury, ON
reply to DKS
said by DKS:

said by NCRGuy:

said by elwoodblues:

A 98 old woman will have none of the above.

She might have a birth certificate, but it'd be so old they probably won't accept it.

Read the article before commenting please. She has "lots of documents", including a birth certificate and a marriage certificate. That, along with a declaration from a guarantor, should be enough to get her a photo card. Then she can get her health card.

The point is "Why should she have to do that, spend an additional $35 for the photo ID when the probability that she is who she is without photo ID is realistic and significant? And why should she have to wait longer to get the photo ID and then the OHIP card?"

Because DKS, that's the rules. If she doesn't like it, she can move to Russia.

Or, the moral of the story is, don't lose your old Red and White OHIP card. Keep it in a known safe place and don't lug it around with you...chances are if you're 96...you're not going to be out in the clubs and restaurants every night of the week.

My grandfather went nowhere for 2 years before he passed away. But he had all of his documents in 1 spot....top drawer of his dresser....smart place to put them if you ask me, I'd recommend the same to this woman.


DKS
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reply to yyzlhr
said by yyzlhr:

So we should just issue OHIP cards to anyone who walks in the door now because they probably are who they say they are?

When they can provide supporting documentation and can be vouched for, yes.
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DKS
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said by nitzguy:

Because DKS, that's the rules. If she doesn't like it, she can move to Russia.

Which obviates the position of reasonableness. Having vouched for hundreds of people over the years on passport applications and pension applications, this strikes me as bureaucracy run amuck.
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NCRGuy

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said by DKS:

said by nitzguy:

Because DKS, that's the rules. If she doesn't like it, she can move to Russia.

Which obviates the position of reasonableness. Having vouched for hundreds of people over the years on passport applications and pension applications, this strikes me as bureaucracy run amuck.

And the frequency and risks of identity theft and health care fraud have increased significantly over the years, requiring more stringent identity verification measures.

However, it seems the bureaucracy had this all sorted out and she was just impatient.

graniterock
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People get OHIP cards everyday without photo ID. They have tightened the rules over the last few years and that has caused a bit of a scramble for lost birth certificates, citizenship papers etc. Occasionally this causes real trouble if for example a citizenship status isn't what the person thought it was (it does happen with our complicated system).

As already noted this woman hasn't been denied coverage. She has been given more time to get her papers in order which is reasonable. In my experience OHIP is pretty good about giving 90 day extensions (sometimes more than once). They also have a pretty good program set up for homeless people with no ID. I suspect there is either more to the story, the family got bad advice at the counter or the family has misunderstood something.