| Gen4 -or- Excede Hello everyone!
I am trying to gather all knowledge I can before signing up for satellite internet for the first time. I was thinking to get Excede some time ago, then Gen4 sounded great, and then Excede sounded better... and that back and forth keeps going! I'm not sure which to go with, so I figured I would need to ask... at the moment I am leaning towards Excede.
Obviously you will want to know what are some of the things I do or would plan to do. P.S. - Nothing better than dial-up for me. Can't even use a cell phone here. We have TV through DISH so I suspect they will be able to point a Gen4/Excede satellite into the sky without problem :-P
-Large File Downloads (I can limit myself to keep within my monthly usage. Whichever of the two is better here will greatly persuade me.)
-Numerous Small File Downloads (PBEM games.)
-Online Gaming (I know ping won't be great, but generally some games will work and some won't. I've been on dial-up for 8 or more years, so I am used to that much. Whichever of the two is better here will greatly persuade me.)
-Steam (Would be nice to be able to actually use it.)
-Chat Programs (Video rarely and voice chat rarely, mostly just typing.)
-Xbox Live (Not to play games on, just to download content such as updates and add-ons.)
-Work Online (But that's not to say I need to use internet while working. Usually just some small file to download (100MB give or take) then I can do my work and send back an even smaller file)
Price is also important. With Gen4 I could get the middle package. With Excede only the cheapest package. Also I have been reading that Excede has free usage from 12AM to 5AM... which I am actually usually awake through (and if not then it can be download time). But is that just a special limited thing, or will it always be there?
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| Location, location, location...without knowing your general location, its all speculation. |
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| Right! I knew I forgot something. I live near Peebles, Ohio. Zip code 45660. I don't know longitude/latitude if that's needed... but I could find it of course. |
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jpgrWAR
join:2011-08-18
Clyde, OH | I have dsl only 1.5 downlod speed and I got exede 12 soley for the latenightfreezone and yes it will not go away . I get around 16meg download speed so on steam it is avg 2 meg download so I can download a 17 gig gme in 2 hours . I got cause I work 4 to midnight nd I am up all night anyways. I use teamspeak 3 with exede12 and can play WORLD OF CONFLICT online with VOIP so there is one game you can play . FPS games are hard to play but some games a 1 second delay is playable like total war games . but I would suggeat exede12 specially if your up at night for unlimited download . HD is cool tooo |
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Lonely
join:2012-11-14
Peebles, OH | reply to Lonely
When I put my zip in at Exede.com it says... "Congratulations! Your address is eligible for Exede12, our super fast Internet service." I assume it's still possible with exact address that they could only offer Exede5?
17GB in 2 hours sounds delicious... I doubt I would have optimal speeds here, but even half of that would be nice.
Also I just realized I have been spelling it "Excede" instead of "Exede" doh... |
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| said by Lonely:When I put my zip in at Exede.com it says... "Congratulations! Your address is eligible for Exede12, our super fast Internet service." I assume it's still possible with exact address that they could only offer Exede5?
17GB in 2 hours sounds delicious... I doubt I would have optimal speeds here, but even half of that would be nice.
Also I just realized I have been spelling it "Excede" instead of "Exede" doh...
You live in Ohio, so it will be Exede 12. Exede 5 is not available to those with Viasat-1 coverage which Ohio definitely has. |
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Lonely
join:2012-11-14
Peebles, OH | reply to Lonely
Great to hear!
I think I will have to have a pole mount install... anyone know how much extra that costs? I can't imagine it would be very much. |
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 wm4bama
join:2012-05-10
Goodwater, AL | said by Lonely:Great to hear!
I think I will have to have a pole mount install... anyone know how much extra that costs? I can't imagine it would be very much.
In Feb., 2009 I paid $100.00 for my pole mount...it depends on the installer you get...going rates now are more like $150, I think...
But ask him to place the pole as close to where your modem will be as possible...the shorter the coax run, the better..
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| Why would you pay $100 ? you can buy the poles at lowes and most hardware place's for for 10-20 bucks lol. |
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wm4bama
join:2012-05-10
Goodwater, AL | It's not just the pole...he has to dig (or augur) a deep hole, use two bags of cement, dig a trench to where it enters your house and bury the coax..
Believe me, it's well worth the money, plus it has to be done to WB/Exede specifications...
The pole has to be a certain gauge with anti-spin extensions on the bottom..
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said by verizonlteda :Why would you pay $100 ? you can buy the poles at lowes and most hardware place's for for 10-20 bucks lol.
You can't buy these poles at Lowe's or any hardware store. They are very special and have to be approved for Exede/Wildblue use. They cost a lot and the shipping is also expensive. They're pretty heavy. Then there's the concrete, and the labor. $100 is a bargain. $150 is more what it's worth. Burying more than 25 feet of wire is extra. |
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Lonely
join:2012-11-14
Peebles, OH | reply to Lonely
Well, I guess that will do. Dish had to put a pole in, so Exede will probably need to as well.
What about comparisons between Gen4 and Exede? Honestly I'm leaning towards Exede 100% and mainly due to the free download time. Someone fight against it, defend Gen4! |
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| said by Lonely:comparisons between Gen4 and Exede?
1. Economically, when LNFZ will be used, Exede. Hughes uses tokens, so feed the Hughes piggy bank.
2. Consistent bandwidth during primetime for non-download activities (P2P, programs, files, etc), unknown for both. Hughes previous behavior was to overload its beams, whereas, ViaSat has made a commitment not to overload their beams. Hughes has not made any public comments about not stuffing their beams. |
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| reply to JSheridan
Yes you can buy them at lowes i did for 10 dollars when i had the hn9000 on hughes not hard find lol.
Installers over charge for them. concert ? really ? 4.99 at lowes man you guys are nuts. |
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| said by verizonlteda :Yes you can buy them at lowes i did for 10 dollars when i had the hn9000 on hughes not hard find lol.
Installers over charge for them. concert ? really ? 4.99 at lowes man you guys are nuts.
You bought a thin walled fence post at Lowe's. Not only are they not approved but they are not nearly strong enough unless you do crummy work and don't care if it falls over. And yea, concrete is $4.99 a bag, times 3 bags is $15 plus tax right there. The poles are wholesale about $50, drill a hole through it with a high speed drill and expensive bit and put a big bolt so it doesn't spin. That costs money too. And I'm sure you would go shop for all this stuff, and then dig a hole in rocky soil and mix and pour the concrete for free? I won't. Like I said, $100 is a real bargain and it's worth at least $150 if done right. |
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said by DrStrangLov:ViaSat has made a commitment not to overload their beams. Hughes has not made any public comments about not stuffing their beams.
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| reply to JSheridan
The last pole set I had was actually heavy pipe done by HN but before that it was always rigid conduit which you can buy at lowe's for a lot less and it will hold up just fine. I had a commercial .98 HN dish mouted on rigid conduit for 6 years in Oklahoma storm winds and it never lost 1% of signal strength in all those years. If it can stand to hold that big dish with 3 foot in ground and 7 foot above ground then these little dish's are not even going to challenge it to move. And if you do use rigid conduit and you have any doubts about it's strength thewn just fill it with concrete while you are at it. That will only take 1 bag of concrete and the end result will be stroger even than the pipe.
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| said by zeddlar:The last pole set I had was actually heavy pipe done by HN but before that it was always rigid conduit which you can buy at lowe's for a lot less and it will hold up just fine. I had a commercial .98 HN dish mouted on rigid conduit for 6 years in Oklahoma storm winds and it never lost 1% of signal strength in all those years. If it can stand to hold that big dish with 3 foot in ground and 7 foot above ground then these little dish's are not even going to challenge it to move. And if you do use rigid conduit and you have any doubts about it's strength thewn just fill it with concrete while you are at it. That will only take 1 bag of concrete and the end result will be stroger even than the pipe.
Dude, that ain't approved. We don't fool around with rube goldberg set-ups. We use approved materials and do jobs at least to spec and usually better than spec. We've done literally hundreds and hundreds of Wildblue/Exede installs and can't afford to mess around with unapproved junk. The require a certain heavy duty pole, we use it. They require a minimum of 3 bags of concrete and we use that, etc., etc. All these 'opinions' about the fence poles and electrical conduit are amusing but they're all UNAPPROVED. |
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Lonely
join:2012-11-14
Peebles, OH | reply to Lonely
Thanks for all the replies. I know enough about poles now, I should have no problem starting a strip club with solid stable poles that won't fall down when the girls twirl around them. Then I can take my money made, move to town, and get something better than Gen4 or Exede! 
Joking aside, an opportunity has arisen for me. I may be able to move to town soon and not have to get either. However, if I don't I will go with Exede. Cheers! |
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| reply to JSheridan
If one of my customers complains too much about how little i am asking then i ask them if they want to save $25 labor,
then i hand them the shovel. After the first rock they are willing to tip me even more for the back breaking work.
If that doesnt work, then I have them drive 25 miles to pick up the concrete for my next job.
said by JSheridan:said by verizonlteda :Yes you can buy them at lowes i did for 10 dollars when i had the hn9000 on hughes not hard find lol.
Installers over charge for them. concert ? really ? 4.99 at lowes man you guys are nuts.
You bought a thin walled fence post at Lowe's. Not only are they not approved but they are not nearly strong enough unless you do crummy work and don't care if it falls over. And yea, concrete is $4.99 a bag, times 3 bags is $15 plus tax right there. The poles are wholesale about $50, drill a hole through it with a high speed drill and expensive bit and put a big bolt so it doesn't spin. That costs money too. And I'm sure you would go shop for all this stuff, and then dig a hole in rocky soil and mix and pour the concrete for free? I won't. Like I said, $100 is a real bargain and it's worth at least $150 if done right. |
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