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Rhenai

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Design a raid

Suppose Blizz came to you, and asked you to assist in developing an instance. This instance would be built using current/past encounters, combined in any manner. Goal of this instance would be two-fold: to be challenging, using the best/hardest of what you have seen, and still - be interesting, creating an enjoyable run. It has not been determined if just 10 man or 25 man, don't let that influence your input.

What would you say needs to be in this idealized instance? And why?
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Skittles
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Find a way to tie in the storylines of Karazhan and Ulduaar since they are they were the best raids IMO. The last boss room would have Yogg and Prince that would raise Illidan in Phase 2 and LK in phase 3. When the fight ends WoW would end, no loot just a tabard that would say "You beat WoW, Grats!! Now go outside."


DarkLogix
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If I made one it'd be HUGE.

for the layout think, Karazhan leading into Naxx (but only naxx in the general layout.)

ok so you'd have the entry as a building (like Karazhan) with multiple paths to get through it (IE 75% of the bosses would be "Optional")

but depending on which bosses you kill (or in some cases beat till friendly) as well as the order they're done in, you'd get some helpers for the next part of the raid.

floating above the building would be a thing (kinda like Naxx but round and more like it had risen from the depths of the ocean)

in this part (think of the internal layout as a cross between Naxx and Ulduar, if you entered ulduar into Yog's room)

it'd have all kinds of cool rooms for the bosses, with some mech like OS3d but diff, you could go right to the boss of any of the 5 sections (you'd have to start with the center 6th) and if you do the room boss first you have a harder fight but get more loot, and can still do the other bosses in the section if you want but they'd be amped up now that their "leader" was dead, thus they too would now give better loot.

then after clearing all 6 a dragon would spawn on the top of the raid, it would then fly your raid group to an under water part of the raid, there would be a seemingly bottomless pool next to the raid, and the dragon would dive into it taking you to a titan structure. (ok maybe you'd have to fight the dragon first to make it friendly)

the structure would still be intact (unlike ulduar) and there would be an old god unlike any before (he'd actually be aspiring to be a titan)

and another Old god would be keeping the prison secure.

you'd have all 4 elemental lords to deal with as they'd have come to secure the prision to prevent the good old one from meddling in the other's plans.

and you'd have the Highborn queen there too.

as for the mech of the bosses you'd have almost all of the mech's that have been used.

now to make it not be a 100/100 raid, it'd be broken into sections with a req to have cleared the previous section atleast once before entering.

and beside the 1st instance would be four dungeon instances that would have to be cleared once before entering the raid.


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reply to Rhenai
Team up with Sylvannus to kill Garrosh.


DarkLogix
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said by footballdude:

Team up with Sylvannus to kill Garrosh.

Feed Garrosh (along with Orgrimmar) to Yog.


mettachain
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Orgrimmar*

I see that the antagonistic attitudes are taking hold this expansion. Don't give in Dark. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to the darkside...or empowers those pesky little Sha. We're not quite prepared to have an Old God reincarnate yet.

P.S. Something is happening in Ragefire Chasm. Something that will execute a staggering a blow to the Alliance.
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DarkLogix
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said by mettachain:

Orgrimmar*

I see that the antagonistic attitudes are taking hold this expansion. Don't give in Dark. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to the darkside...or empowers those pesky little Sha. We're not quite prepared to have an Old God reincarnate yet.

P.S. Something is happening in Ragefire Chasm. Something that will execute a staggering a blow to the Alliance.

Or backfire on him.


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said by mettachain:

I see that the antagonistic attitudes are taking hold this expansion. Don't give in Dark. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to the darkside...or empowers those pesky little Sha.

Its now time to praise our new leader of all factions



Snakeoil
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I'd add in some goofy parts.. you know those silly quests that don't much but are fun to do.
Like that one with Deathwing and the three guys in badlands.
The gnome, the dwarf, and I think an Orc.
Something like that to add a little humor and ease the tension.

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In the huge raid I mentioned the last boss of part 1 would be a 4way chess game.

you'd have some faceless ones on one side, horde on another, ally on another, and then you.

you could team up with your faction, or the other faction but if its not your faction they might betray you.


Immer
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I'd like to see a raid version of the August Celestials daily rep grind... but not limited to that faction.

I'd like to see a raid that takes the ultimate battle of each MoP faction as its theme/storyline. It would have a darkmoon faire type lockout. To get access to the raid, every raider would have to be exalted with the faction related to the current version of the raid, and have completed the quest chains that close out their stories. So, the first one would probably be Klaxxi.

Once you've built a raid (10m or 25m), the raid leader flies to the Klaxxi city and speaks to one of the huge bug council members with a special quest marker over his head (Let's say a purple "!"). When he accepts the quest, everyone in the raid gets a "readycheck" to confirm... and once all are ready, they get a special action button that will start the intro/cutscene. The cut-scene will introduce the theme of the current raid... for the Klaxxi you are invited to pledge allegiance to their god. When you arrive to your deep destination deep underground, you and your Klaxxi escort are greeted by an emissary of the old god... who then dismisses the Klaxxi escort. After some blah, blah, blah you discover that you have to prove your loyalty to the old god by killing your faction leader (or something of the sort)... that's when you kill the first raid boss, the emissary of the old god. This fight is tuned liberally so that any competent raid with the requisite rep is rewarded with a VoA/BH style encounter. Once past that boss encounter, the raid "discovers" a portal maintained by a Klaxxi who favors "the Wakeners" and does not trust the old god (this is how you re-enter after wipes without tipping off the Klaxxi that you are now trying to prevent the awakening of their god.)

The rest of the storyline will carry through 6 more bosses broken up in 2 "wings". Since the raid lockout is several weeks, your Klaxxi ally will create a new portal after each boss is killed. The "trash" is actually interrupting "ritualists" working to revive the old god. All boss fights will be multiple target fights (Klaxxi)... so we'd see a 4horsemen(Naxx2.0) style fight, AQ40 princes fight, Fathomlord (SSC) fight, Blood Princes (ICC), and a Anub (TotC) fight. The final fight would be a Council fight against sentient sha fragments who seek to merge themselves in an attempt to awaken the old god.

Once you've cleared these 6 bosses (and prevented the awakening of the Klaxxi god), your Klaxxi ally reveals himself to be one of the celestials who seeks to maintain balance. He tells your raid not to explose what took place in there to the Klaxxi... and offers to vouche for your commitment to their god. This raid cannot be repeated until the next time it comes around in the rotation some 2 months later.


So, I don't worry too much about what mechanics make a fight fun... but I really like a good story. ICC had a good story... but since we were doing it twice a week forever.... it would have been awesome to turn off a lot of the RP, lol. If the raid simply wasn't available on such a regular basis, I think the RP would feel pretty epic.
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reply to DarkLogix
Beat up everyone,

Elemental Lords - Elemental Wing
Undead Wing
Old Gods - Corrupted Wing
Sargeras
Opposite Faction Leaders - Losers Wing
Rest of the Titans - Masters of the Universe Council
Bonus Boss - Massive Critters, maybe just tram rats, they will have their revenge

Yea i Know half not yet seen, half seen.

Missing any big enemies? Twisting Nether? Aren't they Old Gods?


Venom1

join:2011-10-21
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reply to Immer
said by Immer:

I'd like to see a raid version of the August Celestials daily rep grind... but not limited to that faction....Once you've cleared these 6 bosses (and prevented the awakening of the Klaxxi god), your Klaxxi ally reveals himself to be one of the celestials who seeks to maintain balance. He tells your raid not to explose what took place in there to the Klaxxi... and offers to vouche for your commitment to their god.

totally saw that coming. /yawn
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Arsinic

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reply to Rhenai
I have always wanted a raid that you were competing against a guild of the opposite faction. Granted this would be ridiculously hard to design and create i think it would be something this game could use to bring back server competitions. Granted servers would also have to be wayyyyy more balanced. It would involve pvp and pve aspects.

Say the actual leaders of each respective faction are not being punks in their capital city, but in a war of all out chaos.

Basically both an alliance raid and a horde raid start on opposite ends of a battlefield flanking the opposing army. there would be trash everywhere the entire time the are progressing trough the battlefield. Fighting waves off normal and elite mobs. Eventual there would be some war general(I have no idea what name would be used, I don't follow lore very closely). The ultimate goal would be to flank through the battlefield to get to the actual faction leaders fighting. The ultimate goal would be to kill the faction leaders in battle. Obviously as the opposing raids get to the middle, they will encounter one another. There would have to be a fine balance of controlling the opposing pvp forces, as well as balancing the Faction Leaders. This could be like an AV on crack hell maybe it would make a better battle ground. I have always thought that this would be the ultimate fight in the game.

Obviously the chances of anything like this ever happening would be zilch, but I've always thought it would be a rad idea.


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Kinda like that one place that has a chess board. I can't recall it, I just recall playing chess with my kids there vs the mob side.


Rhenai

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said by DarkLogix:

In the huge raid I mentioned the last boss of part 1 would be a 4way chess game.

you'd have some faceless ones on one side, horde on another, ally on another, and then you.

you could team up with your faction, or the other faction but if its not your faction they might betray you.

Personally, I find this intriguing, challenging. WhatIf - a group of alliance were running this raid, and actually squaring off against a group of horde that were running this raid - not a PvP thing, but just co-mingled for this one boss. There would never (?) be a set way to beat this boss, because the human variable would always be in place, literally a chess match.

edit - in the time it took me to respond to Dark's suggestion of the chess match, others came up with the same scenario.
Really liking that one.

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Immer
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said by Arsinic:

Obviously the chances of anything like this ever happening would be zilch, but I've always thought it would be a rad idea.

maybe not... but do you think they could take the RBG model and tweak it for your liking? It's like a beafed up Alterac Valley, only you are meeting in the middle rather than trying to pass each other to kill some NPC.


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You know what here's an idea that would work with my huge raid idea

ok after you've cleared the 1st part of the raid (ie the tower) there would be a raid entrance that would become available to you, it'd be a 4way-3d-chess/BG, and by making it available you'd be able to use something to tell the horde your ready and to send their raid there too.

on one side is your ally raid
on another side a horde raid
The faction leaders would be fighting an evenly matched battle each leader paired with an opposing faction leader on different platforms.

you'd have to kill elite old god minions to activate the portals to get to the higher levels.

all the while having to move per the rules of chess

then have the burning legion and the old gods fighting

then you have faceless ones littering the board

then for a bit of fun Sheldon cooper on the top platform wielding the sword of azeroth.

Then each time you kill an opposing faction leader your faction leader that had been fighting with them would help.

the chess raid would be available in 10/25 and 40man raid.


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Backstory-
I would make a raid based in the spirit realm. The main antagonist can be some creature from the Nether that was dispatched by the heroes is now causing havoc. The patch would add a new zone which would have two versions. The regular realm would have the quest hubs and dailies associated with it, but there would be an ominous fortress that is inaccessible. In order to gain entry, the heroes must kill themselves in which they will “awaken” as a spirit form at their same location. (Sorry Nelfs, no wisps). The new world will be a twisted form of the same zone, only instead of the grayish tones, there will be lighter color pallets. The heroes would be able to traverse the fortress, eliminating foes on their way to the antagonist.

Bosses-
1) Loathing (Gear-Check Boss) – This will test tank mitigation, raid healing, and dps
a. Abilities / Mechanics
i. Smash – Hits for major damage that will one-shot any DPS. Tank must take it or it will kill a random raider. This will require healers to keep tanks alive.
ii. Short Enrage timer – DPS must go hard or go home. Expect that enrage timer is hit every time with only a 15 second window.

2) Fear (Mechanics Boss) -This boss will test the raids ability to move as a group, coordinate and position properly
a. Abilities / Mechanics
i. Fears tanks every x seconds, forcing tanks to be ready to taunt
ii. Cleave – will require tanks to get back into position and keep boss facing away from melee
iii. Void zones – melee must move around boss as small void zones spawn around boss one at a time, no more than 1 up at a time. Tanks must try to keep voids at boss sides in order to allow melee to dps from behind
iv. Void zones – ranged must move from void zones placed under every ranged every x seconds
v. Random Fears on all others – just because

3) Gluttony (Low/Lack of healing Boss) – This boss will test the raid’s ability to maintain resources
a. Abilities / Mechanics
i. Consumption – the boss slowly consumes players resources requiring dps to be frugal, stay out of danger, and tanks to swap with CD’s as healers will be short on mana

4) Lust – This boss will test the raid makeup as there are two groups
a. Abilities / Mechanics
i. Raid must split into two groups in which they will race to clear trash to finish. The winning group has a better loot table.
ii. This is mostly speed trash runs with the end point a door which the dps must break down while the tank holds off additional waves of enemies. The winning group gets loot incentive.

5) Agony – This will be role swap fight similar to Dreamwalker in ICC
a. Abilities / Mechanics
i. Swap – Healing and DPS are reversed for this fight. Melee must keep tanks alive by damaging them, while ranged must keep healers up. Healers will damage the boss through healing.
ii. Tank drain – top five on threat will have their live gradually drain away, requiring the DPS to keep them up.

6) Temptation - Adds Boss with greed check
a. Abilities / Mechanics
i. Standard tank swap fight with multiple adds that spawn
ii. All adds always drop an unknown item that either boosts dps and healing, rewards individuals gold and personal items (smaller chances), or kills them instantly with a targeted boss ability.
iii. Difficult enrage timer that if players boosted, becomes easy.

7) Boss 7 – serious wall of text

8) Pride - 2 Mob fight, 1 boss w/ 1 chaser
a. Abilities / Mechanics
i. Highest equipped ilvl character is always chased
ii. After a chase, character is debuffed, lowering their ilvl by 20
iii. Tanks and healers can be chosen as well as dps.
iv. Highest DPS / Threat and Healing done are debuffed as well. The higher the disparity, the greater the debuff.
v. Fight will require all players to contribute equally.

9) Purgatory – Long monotonous Fight – with lots of movement (Think Sindrigosa)
a. Abilities / Mechanics
i. Stacking debuffs on tanks that increases damage taken, causing them to swap
ii. Random players are marked then incapacitated
iii. It takes players to stop dpsing (think bandaging someone) to bring back incapacitated players.
iv. Marked players must spread out or cause more players to gain debuff
v. Random zones on the ground that incapacitate players as well.

10) Death – Final Boss – this fight is about coordination and precision
a. Abilities / Mechanics
i. First Realm – Death (current)
1. Players can not die, but healing/threat/damage will be reduced by 90% if at 1 health in this realm
2. Resurrecting players in this realm sends them to the living realm
ii. Second Realm – Life
1. Players that die in this realm are sent back to the Death realm
iii. Players will move between two realms through death and resurrection.
iv. Group will all start in Death realm, and 1 tank and 1 healer will be sent to Life realm shortly into the fight.
v. During this time the boss will mostly phase to the Live realm
vi. Healers must Rez additional DPS to split the raid.
vii. Threat and DPS must maintain equal levels to keep boss split between realms
viii. If boss moves to full live realm, all in death realm die.
ix. If boss moves to full life or death realm, it gains health and damage.
x. As the boss gets lower and lower, DPS gain increased damage causing more dps to be on living side as the fight progresses. All players must finish the fight in the live realm except the last one. A sacrifice. (Tank)
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edit: added boss 6 - Temptation and 8 Pride.


Skittles
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said by Immer:

It's like a beafed up Alterac Valley, only you are meeting in the middle rather than trying to pass each other to kill some NPC.

So you would be referring to AV in it's original form.


Immer
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said by Skittles:

said by Immer:

It's like a beafed up Alterac Valley, only you are meeting in the middle rather than trying to pass each other to kill some NPC.

So you would be referring to AV in it's original form.

I must have not seen its "original" form. It was always a speed run to kill NPCs... being alliance, the best approach for Horde was to turtle it at our second NPC.
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Imagine a DnD style encounter, where Blizzard allowed both players and DMs. In other words. Encounter would always be different. The raid group would have a rating and the "DM" would have a rating. Lower ranked groups would go against lower ranked DM's. There would be no cookie cutter strat. The DM would choose the encounters, plus the level of the creatures, his attacks and defenses. Would make a MMROPG more of a DnD style enciounter which would be tghe tits inho.
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That reminds me of big bang theory

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AV in its original form was all about fighting in the Field of Strife(the middle) and gathering resources to summon your faction's BG god for alliance it was Ivus the Frost Lord who would beat the shit out of the other faction. You also helped your flying commanders escape the opposing faction's towers so they could give bonus honor and open up quests.

These matches were awesome and lasted for hours, I remember one match I zoned into played four hours then went to bed slept about 8 hours got up, showered, ate breakfast and logged on and the same match was going on.


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I remember playing a single match of AV that lasted over 3 days... reports of matches not concluding between server resets. Ah the good old days.
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grekan12

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reply to Rhenai
i would like to have an alliance system in wow (multiple guilds under the same group) and then to have a raid that allows the seperate groups of the alliance to start at different entrances to the raid. 4 x 10 man groups (or even 4 x 25 man groups) think of a naxx style layout and each group from the alliance starts at a different wing. when each wing is complete, there would be a central boss where the alliance can fight as one. an idea for a boss could be a fight against ALL the city leaders. when defeated, the alliance gets a title along the lines of "alliance of azeroth". this idea could also help those that want 40 man raids back and if it was to be done with groups of 25, 100 man raid groups!! (lag city! haha)

jofos

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I would have a pet battle boss you have to use your pets to fight him. I would have a vehicle encounter where you ride tricycles and have to pedal by alternating between the right and left mouse buttons. I would have a junk food boss where yo have to plant seeds and grow vegitables to throw at him. And my last fight of my raid would require 8 tanks and two healers (20 tanks 5 healers on 25 man).
Of course to get into my raid you would have to dailes for at least 2 months plus a quest chain.

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Pets battle's. Stopped reading there

jofos

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said by cigtyme:

Pets battle's. Stopped reading there

come on.... it got much worse lol


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Hogger.