| Surveillance and Security Lessons From the Petraeus Scandal From The ACLU:
When the CIA director cannot hide his activities online, what hope is there for the rest of us?
In the unfolding sex scandal that has led to the resignation of David Petraeus, the FBI’s electronic surveillance and tracking of Petraeus and his mistress Paula Broadwell is more than a side show—it's a key component of the story.
More importantly, there are enough interesting tidbits (some of which change by the hour, as new details are leaked), to make this story an excellent lesson on the government’s surveillance powers—as well as a reminder of the need to reform those powers.
We need to modernize our privacy laws—for example by passing the proposal that is now before the Senate Judiciary Committee—and we need protections that cover metadata of the kind that was apparently so central in this scandal. |
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kudos:17 | Petraeus Case Fuels Fresh Debate on Online Privacy |
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| As CIA Chief Scandal Looms, Lawmakers Consider Tightening E-Mail Privacy
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Recent intrusions by the FBI into e-mail correspondence between former CIA Director David Petraeus and his mistress and biographer, Paula Broadwell, have raised a lot of questions and concerns about the government’s ability to access private e-mails.
The current law covering access to e-mail gives the government the right to snoop without a court order on email that’s older than 180 days, but requires a court order for missives that are newer than this, a fact that privacy activists have been trying to change for years.
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The lessons that I see are:
1. E-mail is the same as a post card and NOTHING you send via e-mail should be considered private and/or secure.
2. If you start something with another person things about your "secret relationship" are going to get ugly.
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And sometimes one simply hits the wrong key when using eMail (even the bad guys)... in which case, all one's security precautions go for naught... how do you say "Aw, CRAP!!" in Talibanese? Taliban accidentally CCs everybody on its mailing list
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All I can say is: »www.spiegel.de/international/eur···372.html
While it makes my job harder I am 100% in favor of Data Protection laws comparable to Germany
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That is golden, LOL!!! 
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Actually, the "save as draft" method that Petraeus and Broadwell were using would probably have never been discovered if her jealousy hadn't driven her to use that email account to harass a politically connected woman who knew an FBI agent.
It is often said that behind every successful man there is a woman pushing him forward. Unfortunately, that also sometimes means pushing him over a cliff.
Any security method (physical or cyber) is only as secure as the individuals using it make it.
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| said by NetFixer:Actually, the "save as draft" method that Petraeus and Broadwell were using would probably have never been discovered if her jealousy hadn't driven her to use that email account to harass a politically connected woman who knew an FBI agent.
It is often said that behind every successful man there is a woman pushing him forward. Unfortunately, that also sometimes means pushing him over a cliff.
Any security method (physical or cyber) is only as secure as the individuals using it make it.
Actually, it's nothing new. I read about that technique in a fiction book not long ago. I remember thinking it was clever. I should have known better. The feds seem to be capable of most anything when it comes to intrusive monitoring.
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| said by Rocky67:Actually, it's nothing new. I read about that technique in a fiction book not long ago. I remember thinking it was clever. I should have known better. The feds seem to be capable of most anything when it comes to intrusive monitoring.
No, it is nothing new, but in this particular case apparently nobody was monitoring it until Broadwell screwed up and actually sent emails from that account to the wrong person.
I actually find it rather incredulous that the CIA and/or the NSA was not monitoring all communications to/from Petraeus (especially personal communications that did not go through official CIA channels); I would have thought that would be a standard practice.
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| said by NetFixer:... I actually find it rather incredulous that the CIA and/or the NSA was not monitoring all communications to/from Petraeus (especially personal communications that did not go through official CIA channels); I would have thought that would be a standard practice. I strongly suspect it is more of a standard practice than many realize. But in certain cases, sometimes it's better to just watch and see where things lead... you can turn a lot more information that way, and if spying or extortion were suspected, you have a shot at running the opposing 'network' up to a much higher level. In the black world, much is not as it seems... and that could include the story about how this all came to light. The developing public version of how the Broadwell affair was revealed may, or may not, be the entire story.
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I would have thought it would be standard practice as well. It amazes me that the three letter agencies can mix such personal stupidity with technical expertise, but I guess that can be said of the private sector as well.
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| Does the DoD, CIA, Pentagon use email encryption by any chance?
These leaks would not had been revealed if there email encryption on Pentagon systems. |
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