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urbanriot
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Re: [WIN8] With Sinofsky Gone, Start Menu Could Return to Window

Possibly too little too late... all I hear from people who picked up new systems with Windows 8 are grumblings about how terrible it is. I don't know if it's the overall experience or simply the start menu but I hear very few people that are neutral or even worse, like it.


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I have windows 8 on my lenovo. at first i was really annoyed but with this app (not sure where i got it) it's not half bad. It's alright. Not going back to windows 7 right now since the machine speed is the same.
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urbanriot
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I use classicshell on my touch based Windows 8 system and it's almost like the real thing (and it's free) - »classicshell.sourceforge.net/

After reading the topic's article I find it ironic that I'm using a third party application on a touch based system to undo exactly what this guy sold on Jobs.

said by OZO:

Did they offer an option for Office programs to return back from ribbon to conventional menu for those, who'd better use it?

On this topic I was steadfastly against the change or moreso I was against a forced change without an option to re-enable the menu until I'd read a programmer's blog that said all the options are there, they're just more visible there, and challenged people to prove him wrong.

After reading that and 'suffering' for 3 months, I came to agree with Microsoft...

But this is entirely different, you're clicking a button to go to an entirely different screen where you have to move your mouse around to see everything. It's grossly inefficient. At least the ribbon is in the same area as the menu they removed.

OZO
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The new desktop becomes the ribbon, don't you think?
And BTW, it's the same "forced change without an option to re-enable the menu"...
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Link Logger
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reply to urbanriot
said by urbanriot:

Possibly too little too late... all I hear from people who picked up new systems with Windows 8 are grumblings about how terrible it is. I don't know if it's the overall experience or simply the start menu but I hear very few people that are neutral or even worse, like it.

Well I'll be your exception then, as I like my Surface and the more I use it, the more I like it.

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OZO
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said by urbanriot:

all the options are there, they're just more visible there, and challenged people to prove him wrong.

When we deal with information, the main problem is not to have it all in one place. The problem is to filter it and have only info, that you need, when you need it. Otherwise you'll be overwhelmed with amount of information presented to you...

The same principle applies to ribbon vs menu consideration. It's not useful at all to have all options taking all screen space at all times. It's useful to get only those items, that you need and, again, only when you need it.

Here is example form my computer maintenance practice. I remove all unnecessary items from context menu in WE, that many programs try to foist in my computers when they get installed. Now my context menu is very useful to what I need. And "New" menu item contains only file types, that I actually need to create. I even have BAT file, that removes all unnecessary trash, that every Office update pushes on my computers... It's the very same principle - I don't want to get buried with useless information and I try to remove unnecessary and organize the rest.
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urbanriot
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said by Link Logger:

said by urbanriot:

Possibly too little too late... all I hear from people who picked up new systems with Windows 8 are grumblings about how terrible it is. I don't know if it's the overall experience or simply the start menu but I hear very few people that are neutral or even worse, like it.

Well I'll be your exception then, as I like my Surface and the more I use it, the more I like it.

I should have clarified that I was referring to full blown Windows 8 on a touch based system rather than a limited tablet IOS, my apologies.

You're still not an exception


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I like Win 8 better than 7 in fact. I still have the preview on my laptop. The lappy is too old to bother with upgrading, but I will be upgrading my main desktop to 8.
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Msradell
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said by sivran:

I like Win 8 better than 7 in fact. I still have the preview on my laptop. The lappy is too old to bother with upgrading, but I will be upgrading my main desktop to 8.

You are certainly one of the few. Would you like better about it compared to windows 7?


sivran
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Well, for one, I like that it takes far less clicks to get various places like control panel, admin tools, and add/remove programs (*cough* excuse me, "Programs and Features" ) thanks to the ribbonized Explorer and the start flag's context menu. I also like the sidebars, though I wish they had taken the left one just one step further and turned it into a complete virtual desktop feature.

I like that nothing made me want to pull my hair out while using it.

And oddly enough, I like Metro better than the Win 7/Vista start menu. Though I'd rather have the Classic Start Menu back. As in the 9x/2k/XP one.
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Badonkadonk
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said by Msradell:

said by sivran:

I like Win 8 better than 7 in fact. I still have the preview on my laptop. The lappy is too old to bother with upgrading, but I will be upgrading my main desktop to 8.

You are certainly one of the few. Would you like better about it compared to windows 7?

Count me as one of the few as well. Four machines upgraded at home, three more to go.
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