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sandman_1

join:2011-04-23
11111
reply to JazzJRabbit

Re: Astraweb automates DMCA removals

People need to send a message to these providers that do these auto take downs. Stevef (Astraweb rep from Newsbin forums) said Astraweb can't afford to hire someone to review the DMCA take down requests. If money is indeed that tight, then maybe Astraweb have more problems than they are willing to tell us. They are one of the biggest NSPs out there and do just about as much as Giganews and XSNews in total traffic through their servers, third place I think. So it is obvious that they do a lot of business and have lots of subscribers. Also they are a tier 1 providers and no one resells through them like the others. They are no small beans is what I am getting at.

Anyway if these NSPs like Astraweb continue on this course, and it will get worse if they do, they will see subscribers leaving en masse. Unless something is done to placate the subscribers, I can see some NSPs going out of business. The bigger you are the harder you fall as they say.


zod5000

join:2003-10-21
Victoria, BC
Reviews:
·Shaw

said by sandman_1:

People need to send a message to these providers that do these auto take downs. Stevef (Astraweb rep from Newsbin forums) said Astraweb can't afford to hire someone to review the DMCA take down requests. If money is indeed that tight, then maybe Astraweb have more problems than they are willing to tell us. They are one of the biggest NSPs out there and do just about as much as Giganews and XSNews in total traffic through their servers, third place I think. So it is obvious that they do a lot of business and have lots of subscribers. Also they are a tier 1 providers and no one resells through them like the others. They are no small beans is what I am getting at.

Anyway if these NSPs like Astraweb continue on this course, and it will get worse if they do, they will see subscribers leaving en masse. Unless something is done to placate the subscribers, I can see some NSPs going out of business. The bigger you are the harder you fall as they say.

I would agree. Usenet is mostly pointless if everything is DMCA'd.

Anyone operating in the US is going to be subject to the DMCA.

1) If you're going to operate in the US I think you need to find a way to work within the law but make it work. IE delay the takedowns as long as the law allows. Manually process requests, bet everyone.. stall.

2) Move your business to countries that don't have laws like the DMCA. Asia, Eastern Europe etc..?

I saw those Astraweb comments on the newsbin forum and the poster didn't seem to have a clue. They know what their customers are downloading, they must know if they can't download that stuff, they've got no customers?


TOPDAWG
Premium
join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON
kudos:3
Reviews:
·TekSavvy DSL

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reply to sandman_1

said by sandman_1:

People need to send a message to these providers that do these auto take downs. Stevef (Astraweb rep from Newsbin forums) said Astraweb can't afford to hire someone to review the DMCA take down requests. If money is indeed that tight, then maybe Astraweb have more problems than they are willing to tell us. They are one of the biggest NSPs out there and do just about as much as Giganews and XSNews in total traffic through their servers, third place I think. So it is obvious that they do a lot of business and have lots of subscribers. Also they are a tier 1 providers and no one resells through them like the others. They are no small beans is what I am getting at.

Anyway if these NSPs like Astraweb continue on this course, and it will get worse if they do, they will see subscribers leaving en masse. Unless something is done to placate the subscribers, I can see some NSPs going out of business. The bigger you are the harder you fall as they say.

well the big issue is it's risk going out of business and please the copyright trolls or risk going to jail and having your life destroyed. Remember the government works for the company's now just ask mega upload if being in other countries works one where they just raid your entire life and then not even do anything after the fact.

So I'd know what I'd do. Sucks as a down loader but I can understand why they do it.

sandman_1

join:2011-04-23
11111

No one said they shouldn't comply with take down requests. I think people would be fine if a human reviewed the requests and the content was removed within a reasonable amount of time.

You also have to consider the fact that these NSPs are in the business because they know damn well that people subscribe to Usenet for its infringing content. Usenet is as big as it is because of the binary groups and the content uploaded to those groups. DMCA take downs and having people around to handle those requests should be the cost of doing business, period.



TOPDAWG
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Reviews:
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said by sandman_1:

No one said they shouldn't comply with take down requests. I think people would be fine if a human reviewed the requests and the content was removed within a reasonable amount of time.

You also have to consider the fact that these NSPs are in the business because they know damn well that people subscribe to Usenet for its infringing content. Usenet is as big as it is because of the binary groups and the content uploaded to those groups. DMCA take downs and having people around to handle those requests should be the cost of doing business, period.

The other issue is and we talked about this on a different forum is nobody knows how to shut their damn mouths. much as I like Nzbmatrix them people are bloody dumb. Every time a damn file is not working they got to say where it's still up like morons or ask who does not remove files.

I mean darn do all the work for the copyright trolls ya dip-shits.


Archivis
Your Daddy
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Earth
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You guys didn't really think this gravy train was going to last forever, did you?


sandman_1

join:2011-04-23
11111

For the noobs no.



Anon11192012

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reply to TOPDAWG

said by TOPDAWG:

The other issue is and we talked about this on a different forum is nobody knows how to shut their damn mouths. much as I like Nzbmatrix them people are bloody dumb. Every time a damn file is not working they got to say where it's still up like morons or ask who does not remove files.

I mean darn do all the work for the copyright trolls ya dip-shits.

This idea that keeping it secret is somehow going to stop files from being removed is stupid. If some people know, it's a good chance that the groups who DMCA it know it too. At least sharing this info will help some people get the files before they are removed.

newster

join:2011-09-26

said by Anon11192012 :

said by TOPDAWG:

The other issue is and we talked about this on a different forum is nobody knows how to shut their damn mouths. much as I like Nzbmatrix them people are bloody dumb. Every time a damn file is not working they got to say where it's still up like morons or ask who does not remove files.

I mean darn do all the work for the copyright trolls ya dip-shits.

This idea that keeping it secret is somehow going to stop files from being removed is stupid. If some people know, it's a good chance that the groups who DMCA it know it too. At least sharing this info will help some people get the files before they are removed.

I can understand why the copyright cops are upset their gravy train has been derailed. Now they resort to making idiotic arguments and desperate pleas that don't fool anyone.

It looks like NZB Matrix has now taken decisive action on things like UFC, with a new policy of disabling comments and preventing user posts. Asking or giving advice on how to get anything has always been officially against the rules on that usenet indexing site, but this recently enforced censorship has had a profound effect. Copyrighted usenet uploads are no longer being thoroughly DMCAed as soon as they appear.

sandman_1

join:2011-04-23
11111
reply to Anon11192012

said by Anon11192012 :

This idea that keeping it secret is somehow going to stop files from being removed is stupid. If some people know, it's a good chance that the groups who DMCA it know it too. At least sharing this info will help some people get the files before they are removed.

No one said it would keep files from being removed. You have a chance of that with any provider. However the logic follows that if a mass exodus of subscribers are going to provider A because they have vocalized the fact that provider A doesn't do take downs or not as quickly, who do you think they would focus on now? Also NZBs posted to Usenet and not announced to these manual indexing sites usually go unnoticed. It doesn't hurt to keep your mouth shut is what I am saying.

@jarablue

When torrents and usenet get completely filtered, I guess it's back to IRC then? I don't think they can do anything about IRC...or can they?

From what I have seen, Mr. Joe M., has said he is eventually going after IRC on his Twitter account.

newster

join:2011-09-26

said by sandman_1:

From what I have seen, Mr. Joe M., has said he is eventually going after IRC on his Twitter account.

He seems to target his business on the things that few downloaders use and even fewer people in Hollywood have even heard of, in order that his false claims can't easily be exposed.

He can't claim to be stopping bittorrent without getting laughed at, because everyone already knows about the Pirate Bay. His customers can simply go there and see for themselves that he can't do squat about removing their media from TPB, no matter how much they pay him.