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TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
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[Bus. Ops] Hosting Akamai

What do you think about hosting an Akamai server for your end-users? My network is still fairly small, but is expanding and I'm currently building several towers to cover the City and offer faster services/speeds. I thought by hosting the Akamai server it would save my EU/s time and strain on my upstream providers.

Thoughts?


jim_p_price7

join:2005-10-28
Henryetta, OK

Response removed. I misread your question. Sorry.



battleop

join:2005-09-28
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reply to TBBroadband

I thought that they discontinued this service. Do you have a link to share?


TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
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»www.akamai.com/html/partners/net···ner.html

and here is NetFlix's:

»signup.netflix.com/openconnect



battleop

join:2005-09-28
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I looked at the Akamai a few years ago but I was lead to believe they ended that program. Akamai will send you servers so that you can locally "cache" popular content on your network keeping that traffic on your network and to reduce traffic going across your links to the internet.

The Netflix solution is a peering agreement between the ISP and Netflix. You have to be able to connect to them at one of the IXCs they are in and you have to have 2GB of traffic to or from their network. If you are not located in one of the IXCs then it could be costly but then again if you are pushing 2GB of traffic to Netflix alone why are you not already connected to one of those IXCs to begin with?
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TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
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According to NF's website you don't have to be peered with them. You can just obtain the server from them, that would be free. They do ask you to be peered and have the server, but not required.

The closest ICX to me is Chicago, but at this point I would just obtain a server from them and connect it to my own networks until being able to peer with them in Chicago. I can obtain bandwidth dirt cheap from L3 and Zayo/Above.net to be able to host the server without a problem.

And currently I have about 4+ gigs running to NF right now in just one area that I service, which is a mid-sized trailer park, which was my first deployment.

My big thing that I need to check with NF on is if my networks/towers have to connected directly to my NOC and to the server or can each one "peer" using their own T1s, etc and go to my NOC. I'm not sure how it really works with them.



Inssomniak
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join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON
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You have 4+gigabits per second just in Netflix? I thought you said your network was small.
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TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

it is small, but i meant 4gigs per week going to NF. Sorry for the confusion.


raytaylor

join:2009-07-28
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reply to TBBroadband

To really look at netflix or akamai caching, you need to have at least 50 megabit/s+ going to them. They would consider 4 gigabytes a day to be very small.

Otherwise i would look at your own caching system like an appliansys box that can cache some of it like general http, youtube, windows updates, apple, antivirus etc.



Inssomniak
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reply to TBBroadband

said by TBBroadband:

it is small, but i meant 4gigs per week going to NF. Sorry for the confusion.

Oh ok yea they wont even talk to you for 4 gigs a week.

As someone else mentioned, 50+ megabits per second is a good starting point
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TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
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The requirement is 8gigs per month according to the email they sent me (NF). The peering is different. And right now I'm not looking to peer with them, just bring content closer via their server appliance.

from NF:

brief summary of the Open Connect Appliance (OCA)

Each OCA is 4RU, and holds about 100TB of content
Each box can serve up to 8.5Gbps of Netflix traffic
Typical deployments are around 5+Gbps (per month)
In terms of steering subscribers to the box- you'll advertise the networks you want the system to serve over BGP (to the OCA). When someone from one of those networks goes to watch Netflix, our Master Control will direct it to the box in your network as the primary streaming server.


jcremin

join:2009-12-22
Siren, WI
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said by TBBroadband:

The requirement is 8gigs per month according to the email they sent me (NF).

Typical deployments are around 5+Gbps (per month)

I think you are mixing up terminology a bit. You have said gigs transferred, which means "gigabytes". The email you quoted is saying gigs (specifically Gbps) as in "gigabits per second".

If you are really only transferring 4 gigabytes per week, you essentially have no netflix traffic. I mean, that's like a single person streaming one high-def movie per week, or maybe half a dozen standard def movies in the same timeframe. Caching would be a 100% waste in that situation.

But to be fair, it's a total contradiction to say "5+Gbps (per month)". That's like saying "5 miles per hour (per month)" so the email doesn't really make sense either.

So, with some clarification, can you tell us how much Netflix traffic you actually transfer in a month, or how much sustained Netflix traffic you have during peak times? Unless you're talking about numbers in the hundreds of gigabytes or even terabytes of NF traffic per month, I'm guessing that caching will be of little benefit.


Inssomniak
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reply to TBBroadband

said by TBBroadband:

The requirement is 8gigs per month according to the email they sent me (NF). The peering is different. And right now I'm not looking to peer with them, just bring content closer via their server appliance.

from NF:

brief summary of the Open Connect Appliance (OCA)

Each OCA is 4RU, and holds about 100TB of content
Each box can serve up to 8.5Gbps of Netflix traffic
Typical deployments are around 5+Gbps (per month)
In terms of steering subscribers to the box- you'll advertise the networks you want the system to serve over BGP (to the OCA). When someone from one of those networks goes to watch Netflix, our Master Control will direct it to the box in your network as the primary streaming server.

'

Yea as Jcremin suggested, the email states:

Each box can serve up to 8.5Gbps of Netflix traffic
Typical deployments are around 5+Gbps (per month)

Thats 8.5 Gigabits PER SECOND, and 5+ Gigabits PER SECOND.

Quick math shows that to reach 8.5 Gigabits per second, you would have to have somewhere around 4500 customers all watching at the same time with an average stream of just under 2 megabits per second.
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TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
reply to jcremin

After checking the few locations that I currently have customers at (4 MDUs) I have between 10-20gigs per month of NF traffic. That's checking everything from the start until this evening at 7pm.



Inssomniak
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Yes that's a tiny amount of traffic to Netflix. 20 gigs amounts to 5-6 HD movies or 15-20 regular movies or less.

A cache will have zero effect. Netflix will not give you a very expensive box for that unfortunately.
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raytaylor

join:2009-07-28
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reply to TBBroadband

Have you heard back from Akamai?
I have been thinking that i want to start a peering exchange in our regional city for 4 isp's that are here with about 5,000 subscribers.
Am thinking if i started a peering exchange, it would encourage our national carriers (who major content providers use) would want to peer as well so we can try and get some free bandwidth.

We have a national fibre carrier that peers at all the internet exchanges around the country because they advertise to content carriers (like our equivalant of hulu/ondemand, news and video websites) that they can deliver their content to users faster. They just need a reason to connect to me and if i happened to be 4 isp's at an internet exchange then they would be keen.

A shared akamai cache at the exchange would be good for us too as it would encourage the 3 other local isp's to connect to the exchange - so i am keen to find out what akamai say their requirements are.


TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

Nothing back from them yet. The only one that replied was NF.


voxframe

join:2010-08-02
reply to TBBroadband

I heard google/youtube does this as well.

Anyone have any experience with those?

If there's anything that pushes a lot of traffic on us, it's those two in top ranks.

EDIT- Same goes for Apple TV. But I don't see Apple playing nice with anyone.


TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
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I was not aware of Google providing these appliances. I'll contact them to see what I get.

Right now I'm working on a deal with Roku on reselling their devices for "iptv" until mine is up and running next year (working with another large IPTV backend provider to deploy mine) which is one of the main reasons I'd like to get the content as close to the customer as possible without maxing out any large links. This also comes with working against a large local cable company (Buckeye) but shouldn't become an issue since they just capped (with high overages) all customers across the board - both business and residential customers alike.



beachintech
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I have more netflix traffic out of my house in a month than your network does. Just a little perspective.
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TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH

and again, my network is currently very small. A lot of my customers still use Cable, which I plan on trying to move them away from.



beachintech
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I understand that, but I think you are planning too far down the line. Being a former owner of a small WISP, I see where your mind is going but you may not need to be there just yet.
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zed173

join:2010-07-17
Mississauga, ON
reply to TBBroadband

said by TBBroadband:

I was not aware of Google providing these appliances. I'll contact them to see what I get.

Google Global Cache, though I seem to remember they require you to have a certain amount of traffic to them first.

TBBroadband

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reply to beachintech

My planning is this way due to launching a large coverage area within a few weeks. With taking on a large cable company that throttles/does UBB I expect a HUGE amount of traffic that will be NF and Hulu. Especially when you have an average cable bill in this area of $90 for 70 channels.- off of their promotions that they refuse to give to current customers.


TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
reply to zed173

What I find when I Google that name is an appliance that is designed off IR. »www.globalcache.com/products/gc-100/models1/



zed173

join:2010-07-17
Mississauga, ON

No it's called Google Global Cache.



Inssomniak
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reply to TBBroadband

said by TBBroadband:

My planning is this way due to launching a large coverage area within a few weeks. With taking on a large cable company that throttles/does UBB I expect a HUGE amount of traffic that will be NF and Hulu. Especially when you have an average cable bill in this area of $90 for 70 channels.- off of their promotions that they refuse to give to current customers.

If you read my earlier post, huge was on the order of 4000+ concurrent customers for Netflix. That could mean more than 10 or 20 thousand total customers and thats being optimistic. I think you are light years off from even thinking about these sort of cache boxes.

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TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
reply to TBBroadband

Thanks for all the comments. Lots to think about



Jerm

join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
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Just for what its worth I had looked at peering and while it can vary it seemed a lot of places don't consider anything less than 100mbps (of traffic being exchanged) worthwhile... unless you want to pay them.

I'm LOL at the whole NF Cache idea.

Lets do the actual math. That 4RU box is 10Gigabit attached, intended to service 5Gigabit constant user stream (up to 8.5Gigabit, which of course is all you want to saturate a 10Gigabit line anyway - 85%)

So at 5Gigabit per second you are transferring 2.25 TerraBYTES per hour, 54 TerraBYTES per day! Or 1.6 PETABYTES per month!

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So based on TBus' 20GB last month, he only has to grow 100,000 times bigger to be up to 1.9Petabytes and be in the NF cache ballpark


mountainview

join:2011-09-07
united state
reply to TBBroadband

Netflix may talk to you if you want to pay for all the cost...

I haven't found any information on requesting Akamai's edge server... I am pretty sure they can't live only on peering tho...