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Kommie
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join:2003-05-13
united state
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reply to pnh102

Re: Walmart Strike and Thanksgiving Opening!

said by pnh102:

Soldiers
Cops
Firefighters
Paramedics
Doctors
Nurses
Hospital staff
Train Engineers
Bus Drivers
Delivery people
Restaurant workers
Grocery store workers

I wouldn't call Soldiers "Workers"

Cops,Firefighters,Paramedics, and Doctors are emergency workers and usually get compensated in other days.

So do most Hospital Staff.

Train Engineers also get compensated in other ways.

Delivery People -->USPS is closed ,so is UPS, not sure about FedEx as they have no union.

Restaurant Workers- Recent Development, everything used to be closed on Thanksgiving due to Blue Laws.

Grocery--> Same as above.

Also the people probably taking the shifts during thanksgiving are the ones barley making ends meet on 9/hr.


pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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said by Kommie:

Cops,Firefighters,Paramedics, and Doctors are emergency workers and usually get compensated in other days.

So do most Hospital Staff.

Train Engineers also get compensated in other ways.

So do Walmart workers and others who work on holidays. No one is expecting them to work 24/7/365. Ironically, many retail employers are slashing hours for people so these people will get more free time off than they wished.
said by Kommie:

Delivery People -->USPS is closed ,so is UPS, not sure about FedEx as they have no union.

I know a few truck drivers who are making deliveries today. They fall into this category.
said by Kommie:

Restaurant Workers- Recent Development, everything used to be closed on Thanksgiving due to Blue Laws.

Grocery--> Same as above.

Blue Laws were rooted in Christianity. Wouldn't you have a problem if government decided to reapply this reasoning to bring these laws back?
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Kommie
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Walmart workers get straight pay for working today, and some are forced on the shift by taking a normal day away and putting them in on the thanksgiving shift.

Those emergency service workers you mentioned proboly all have unions. Train Engineers like those on Amtrak are Federal Workers and have the day made up as a comp day for vacation.

Those truck drivers, who do they work for ? Subcontracted?

When we had the Blue Laws, everything was closed on Saturday and Sunday(Plus Holidays), I think it was a lot healthier for the populace


pnh102
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said by Kommie:

Walmart workers get straight pay for working today, and some are forced on the shift by taking a normal day away and putting them in on the thanksgiving shift.

So? Jobs are a bit scarce these days. Would these people prefer to be unemployed? When you work part time, of course you will make only regular pay unless you hit 40 hours a week. This has been basic US labor law for at least what, 70 years now?

We'd all love to make a six figure salary but at the end of the day we are paid what our employers think we are worth.
said by Kommie:

Those emergency service workers you mentioned proboly all have unions. Train Engineers like those on Amtrak are Federal Workers and have the day made up as a comp day for vacation.

Lol unions... Given what they have done to companies like GM, Chrysler, and Hostess, as well as industries like US manufacturing, textile, steel and many others, perhaps Walmart management thinks it might be a good idea to avoid them.
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CXM_Splicer
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quote:
So? Jobs are a bit scarce these days. Would these people prefer to be unemployed?

Sorry but being subjected to abuse as opposed to being fired is not a valid choice. People deserve to have a livable work environment.


DataRiker
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said by CXM_Splicer:

quote:
So? Jobs are a bit scarce these days. Would these people prefer to be unemployed?

Sorry but being subjected to abuse as opposed to being fired is not a valid choice. People deserve to have a livable work environment.

Absolutely. America needs a stronger labor law, something most of Canada has. Walmart didn't last very long in Quebec.


IowaCowboy
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reply to Kommie
Pulling out of this discussion.


pnh102
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reply to DataRiker
said by DataRiker:

Absolutely. America needs a stronger labor law ...

China agrees with you too.
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IowaCowboy
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Pulling out of this discussion. Enough said.

chgo_man99

join:2010-01-01
San Jose, CA
reply to pnh102
Some people think I am blessed, because I only work 13.5 hours on 3 days on weekend nights and then get 4 days off. They don't understand working nights for long hours is hard and when you take those days off you don't get those days full because you're used to sleep in late. I start before midnight and end at noon, so the earliest hours I feel ready to go is 7am. Yes, sometimes I can adjust and get up earlier but not often. I would rather work 5 days a week and get 2 days off on weekend.

My vacation days are adjusted from 2 weeks to 1 week for this schedule. I think its the same everywhere.

Austinloop

join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX
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reply to Kommie
"I wouldn't call Soldiers "Workers""

Please enlighten us as to what you would call Soldiers (or any other military person)?

I guess changing out a jet engine, fueling air craft, maintaining vehicles is just recreation, right?

In which branch did you serve and for how long?


Kommie
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Soldiers are Soldiers and I am PROUD to say I didn't serve in any branch.

Austinloop

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Why am I not surprised?


trparky
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reply to Austinloop
Not only that but many of our soldiers are still being shot at as I type this in a certain Middle Eastern hellhole that will go unmentioned.

But no, when it comes to their holidays we must honor them or God help us. But they don't honor ours. Bullshit I tell you, bullshit.
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CXM_Splicer
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reply to Kommie
Soldiers used to be soldiers when they actually fought to protect the country and our freedom. Now, they are a private group of mercenaries doing the bidding of an imperialistic government.

My brother was duped into joining the Army and did 2 1/2 tours in Dessert Storm (was not allowed to leave at the end of his 2nd tour)... all he has to show for it now is Gulf War sickness.


KrK
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reply to pnh102
The solution is simple, and doesn't need to be based on Blue laws.

The answer is to merely legislate that non-essential industries have to pay 3x+ normal wages on certain national holidays.

Problem solved. Fast food joints, Gas stations, and other retail/service type stores would close on those days, rather then pay the employees a fair wage to compensate them for their sacrifice.

Everybody happy. Holidays, and no lost sales--- they'd get them all the next day.

Simple-- Pro-family, pro-worker. This is why it will never happen.
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HotRodFoto
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reply to pnh102
Actually Walmart does not pay it's employees Holiday pay. just a FYI »walmartsucksorg.blogspot.com/200···art.html
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pnh102
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reply to KrK
said by KrK:

The solution is simple, and doesn't need to be based on Blue laws.

The answer is to merely legislate that non-essential industries have to pay 3x+ normal wages on certain national holidays.

Ironically what you describe are just Blue Laws in another form.

Who gets to decide what industries are "essential" or not? And what about the workers in these "non-essential" industries who are in a position of being able to make some extra money working on the holidays and now won't be able to? Why should they get screwed?
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Simba7
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Billings, MT
reply to CXM_Splicer
Welcome to the Army. One reason I steer clear from there, along with everyone else.

I remember when I found out my rate was overmanned in the Navy (IT), so I couldn't re-enlist. The Army recruiter said "We might be able to get you in!"

I replied "I doubt you have a security clearance high enough".
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Groggy Greg

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Astoria, NY

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reply to trparky
said by trparky:

Not only that but many of our soldiers are still being shot at as I type this in a certain Middle Eastern hellhole that will go unmentioned.

If you mean Afghanistan, it's not in the Middle East. This error doesn't negate your point, but the typical American supposedly has poor knowledge of geography, so I figure it's worth correcting.


FFH5
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said by Groggy Greg:

said by trparky:

Not only that but many of our soldiers are still being shot at as I type this in a certain Middle Eastern hellhole that will go unmentioned.

If you mean Afghanistan, it's not in the Middle East. This error doesn't negate your point, but the typical American supposedly has poor knowledge of geography, so I figure it's worth correcting.

That all depends. It isn't as straight forward as you are making it out.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Middle_East
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