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FF4m3

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Troll Sues Apple For Daring To Plug Headphones Into iPhone

Oh my!

From The Register:

A patent hoarding firm is suing Apple for $3m for allegedly ripping off a protected design that describes plugging headphones into a mobile phone.

Intelligent Smart Phone Concepts, a Delaware company with no web presence, launched its legal action against iPhone-maker Apple in California. ISPC has demanded damages for the alleged infringement of its "Wireless mobile phone including a headset" patent, and has requested a jury trial.

Patent-holding companies that only use their vaults of amassed intellectual property purely for launching lawsuits are often kindly referred to as patents trolls. Their usual strategy is not to win any cases but to encourage major firms to part with reasonably small amounts of money in royalties or settlements so as to avoid the cost of a full-blown trial.


dave
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7373182

I don't have time to wade through the neck-deep patent jargon, but doesn't this only claim the invention of having two jacks?



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reply to FF4m3

Glad to hear that someone is finally hitting Apple with the same thing they have been doing to others!


OZO
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reply to FF4m3

Where is an actual innovation, that must be protected here?
One jack, two jacks? Is it about it? Clearly it's complete absurd.
US Patent Office should stop making money from facilitating patent trolls...
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said by OZO:

Where is an actual innovation, that must be protected here? ...

+1. If somebody's patent exists for a wireless mobile phone (or it's in the public domain), and somebody's patent exists for a headset (or it's in the public domain), there is simply no rational justification for yet another patent to be issued for plugging a headset into a wireless mobile phone. It trivializes the entire patenting process and leads directly into the nonsensical mess we've got today. I suspect that the majority of patents now fall into this trivial category, and the entire cottage industry of patent trolling has grown up around them. It's time to pull the plug on the entire mess: patent office (as it's now constituted), patents (unless truly meaningful), and trolling litigation.
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said by Msradell:
Glad to hear that someone is finally hitting Apple with the same thing they have been doing to others!

Apple is without any doubt the absolute Patent Troll King.
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said by Msradell:

Glad to hear that someone is finally hitting Apple with the same thing they have been doing to others!

Meh... I don't believe that the key to defeating apple is to stoop to their level.
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But surely it depends on whether the phone is a rounded-corner rectangle or not?


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said by burner50:

Meh... I don't believe that the key to defeating apple is to stoop to their level.

Maybe not, but perhaps the key to getting idiocy out of the patent system is to pile absurdity on top of absurdity, until even the patent office can see how much of the GNP is burned on this sort of crap.

(Naive, or what? )

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These holding firms should be illegal. I cannot see how they serve any economic purpose.
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said by Kearnstd:

These holding firms should be illegal. I cannot see how they serve any economic purpose.

because all firms are required to have an economic purpose(tm)?
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reply to FF4m3

For $3million, apple should just settle.



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That would be a dangerous precedent to set. Apple needs to fight it, and drain their bank account. It's the only way PT's will get it.

Of course, Apple is itself a patent troll.
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reply to FF4m3

There should be a patent-and-trademark-law version of a SLAPP suit.

The troll AND Apple would be paying through the nose on a regular basis.



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said by OZO:

Where is an actual innovation, that must be protected here?

Same question could be asked of the of ocean of Apple patents or frankly about 99.9% of all the patents granted in the last 30 years.

I'll say it yet again, the patent office needs to be blown up, burned down and pissed on and really if we could stuff it full of IP lawyers at the time, that would be a huge bonus as typically these people are nothing but leeches.

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reply to FF4m3

I sure went into the wrong industry. I wonder where I can buy me some orphaned patents...



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Why look? Create your own!



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said by Juggernaut:

Why look? Create your own!

Yep... I hear phones in rounded-corner triangle, hexagon, or circular shapes may still be available for patenting. Hurry, before they're gone!
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Now, unless crApple has a patent on the radius of the corners (in millimeters), that would be open as well, right?
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said by Juggernaut:

Now, unless crApple has a patent on the radius of the corners (in millimeters), that would be open as well, right?

just add or subtract .001mm
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Juggernaut
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Precisely.



sivran
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reply to Juggernaut

Well that all sounds like a good start! Let's form a start-up, we'll call it.. Trololo Holdings Corp!



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I like it. The new year looks promising!



WhoMe62

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I'm surprised some patent troll hasn't come forward yet to claim that they have the patent on the business process itself of trolling other companies for patent infringement!


itguy05

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reply to Msradell

said by Msradell:

Glad to hear that someone is finally hitting Apple with the same thing they have been doing to others!

Only in the computer industry is it OK for you to spend money designing something new and different and then not be ableto protect it. No different than designing, say a new drug and being awarded a patent for it. Or figuring out a new way to use a drug and being awarded the patent for it.

I agree the patent office is messed up but there has to be a way to protect those that innovate and take chances.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If Surface were to become successful (doubtful) and someone ripped them off and MS sued them, I'd say go ahead MS. So it's not just Apple love.

dave
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I don't think there are too many people here arguing against patentability of genuine innovations. Rather, it's the stupid-crap patents that are the problem. Where's the real innovation in 7373182, for example?


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said by dave:

I don't think there are too many people here arguing against patentability of genuine innovations. Rather, it's the stupid-crap patents that are the problem. Where's the real innovation in 7373182, for example?

The innovation is to have both an output only AND an input-output jacks, operating independently. Neat idea. Patentable.

There are a couple of issues with the current patent system. One is the patenting of concepts or designs. The other is that patents should expire if they produce no commercial products within 3-5 years.


dave
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I say '2 jacks' is perfectly obvious to anyone practiced in the arts.


OZO
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said by AsherN:

The innovation is to have both an output only AND an input-output jacks, operating independently. Neat idea. Patentable.

Why not patent two jacks, both providing input-output. You may use one for output only... Isn't that a neat idea? Is it patentable too? Then why not patent three jacks, all of them having input-output capabilities and, of course, user is allowed to use all of them at his will. And so forth... When have we started patenting the numbers? I guess it happened at the time, when US Patent Office has decided to make money from the number of patents it registers. The more patents are accepted, the more money they get... Yeah, that's the spirit of protecting innovators. Or may be not...
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said by itguy05:

Only in the computer industry is it OK for you to spend money designing something new and different and then not be ableto protect it.

New and Different, is the problem as its usually nothing more then 'marginally improved (if that) old idea', and is that worthy of a patent? The other problem is patent aren't written up to protect an invention, they are written up to protect an idea which isn't what patents were for. Patents were designed to protect an expression of an idea, and not the idea itself as trying to claim a truly original idea is likely false as ideas aren't created in a vacuum and therefore not truly original.

When 'innovation' involves more money being spent on IP then the actual invention, one has to question the motives involved and the actual invention, hence the often well deserved title of patent troll as its rather clear that the intention was only to extort money from someone actually creating a product for public consumption (or as we have often seen to protect market share from companies who are doing about the same amount of 'innovation' as any other company in the field, for example could someone tell me the truly innovative differences between phones, for example size, shape, layout of icons, touch screens, etc aren't innovations of the last 10 years or even last 20 years so how do companies claim them as patentable today).

Blake
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