| ok a strange topic: Dissolving Grandma. Part Deux Original: »  ok a strange topic: Dissolving GrandmaSo far the method was not approved here when I was asked to look into it. Gov is balking at the water consumption, which really isn't that much at all. Stall tactic. More to do with acceptance. But, today: Sask. approves liquifying bodies as alternative to traditional cremation » cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/WeirdNews/2···361.htmlSaskatchewan has become the first province to approve a new method of body disposal. Coming soon to a funeral home (and your water supply) near you. Anyone have a problem with dissolving their mom or grandma and flushing her? |
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| said by Curious me :Anyone have a problem with dissolving their mom or grandma and flushing her?
Nope. But I think in what way a person wants their body disposed of ought to be up to them to decide (and fund). If Mom or Grandma left no instructions or money for their wishes, then perhaps they didn't really care one way or the other.
It makes no real scientific difference how (or over what time-frame) the elements of their body makes it back into the universe in the form of something else. If you have a particular religious belief that's up to you to worry about.
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| said by Ian:But I think in what way a person wants their body disposed of ought to be up to them to decide People who want to dictate their own funeral and burial/cremation/whatever plans are selfish on a level to which I simply cannot comprehend.
Funerals and interment aren't for the person who died. They're for the people left behind. |
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@videotron.ca | said by Gone:Funerals and interment aren't for the person who died. They're for the people left behind.
Peoples wishes (the dead people) should come first. This is only respect, no?
After a viewing, does it really mater if they are buried in dirt, water, burned or dissolved? Or does it really affect the "closure" of the loved one left behind when the "loved one" didn't see mom's remains disposed of per their own selfish wishes for their own closure instead of the dead ones true wishes? Hmm
Two sides, but I think the dead persons wish (if any, if affordable etc) comes first. |
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| said by hm :Peoples wishes (the dead people) should come first. This is only respect, no? Respect for what, exactly? You're dead. Gone. Expired. No longer part of this Earth. Maybe you're in heaven, maybe you're in eternal oblivion, but either way you won't care. The only thing that matters are the people left behind, their memories of you and how they want to celebrate your life and continue to remember you while they're still living. Telling them how they can mourn and remember you after you're gone is nothing more than attempting to maintain a certain self-centred arrogance from beyond the grave, and something I refuse to be a part of.
My wishes are quite simple - whatever my loved ones want. If they want to dissolve, flush me down the toilet and then use whatever money I may have left aside for something else, so be it. I'll be dead and gone and won't care, so my "wishes" are of little relevance. What they do is not for me to decide. It's for them. That's what respect is all about, not the other way around. |
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said by Gone:Funerals and interment aren't for the person who died. They're for the people left behind.
So if my loved ones want to sell my dead body to a traveling carnival to mummify and make a ring-toss game out of, that's a-OK, regardless of my own wishes on it?
I think the law is very much on the side of you getting to decide your own arrangements, and if you didn't, for your loved ones to do so. If they think it's a-ok to light on fire, or to flush them down the drain, that's their issue, not mine. It's a discussion for the family involved.
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I'm with Gone on this one. I don't care if my loved ones dump my body in a ditch when I'm gone. In fact, I encourage it. I have no further use for my body at that point.
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said by Gone:said by hm :Peoples wishes (the dead people) should come first. This is only respect, no? Respect for what, exactly? ok |
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said by TLS2000:I'm with Gone on this one. I don't care if my loved ones dump my body in a ditch when I'm gone. In fact, I encourage it. I have no further use for my body at that point.
But, that's what you so wish. So your wishes will be respected. |
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said by TLS2000:I'm with Gone on this one. I don't care if my loved ones dump my body in a ditch when I'm gone. In fact, I encourage it. I have no further use for my body at that point.
That's your belief, and I hope you've let your loved ones know your wishes. This is a case, of people having a diversity of opinion on it.
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"We believe this process, which enables a portion of human remains to be flushed down a drain, to be undignified," Patrick McGee, a spokesman for the Roman Catholic Diocese of Manchester, once told USA Today.
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said by Ian:So if my loved ones want to sell my dead body to a traveling carnival to mummify and make a ring-toss game out of, that's a-OK, regardless of my own wishes on it? I think the bigger question is why do you even care? It's no longer about you. It's about them.
Telling your family what they can and cannot do to remember you after you're long and dead is nothing short of self-serving and, indeed, disrespectful of the people who are left behind. It's them who are remembering you, not you remembering yourself.
Furthermore, legally, you have no right to dictate what happens to you after you die. It is strictly up to your family. The only right you have is to dispose of your assets, and even then there things that can cause your wishes to be overrideen. When it comes to the funeral and internment of the body, your family can to put you into a cannon and shoot you off into outer space there's nothing you can do from beyond the grave to stop them. |
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kudos:2 | No, it's about the law, and the right of the deceased to have their will executed as desired. Period. The living have no say about it.
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| said by Juggernaut:No, it's about the law, and the right of the deceased to have their will executed as desired. Period. The living have no say about it. Wrong. The will only deals with the disposition of assets. You have no legal entitlement to dictate your own funeral plans. You can express your wishes to your family, but they are not bound by them. |
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kudos:2 | That statement requires a legal citation. I don't buy it.
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| said by Juggernaut:That statement requires a legal citation. I don't buy it. From the horses mouth, perhaps?
said by »www.sse.gov.on.ca/mcs/en/Pages/f···s.aspx#1 :
Who has the legal authority to decide what will happen to the body of a deceased person?
In order of priority it is:
An estate trustee (also called an executor or executrix) who is named in the deceased person's will (or, an administrator appointed by the court)
A spouse
Adult children.
If you are an estate trustee, expect to provide photo ID and proof of your authority (like a will or court order) before you make arrangements.
I am sure other provinces in Canada and even states in the US are similar.
You can name who you want responsible for the funeral and the handling of the will, but you have no legal authority to dictate exactly how they proceed with those plans. |
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kudos:3 | It's also worth pointing out that by the time a last will is read, the funeral will be long over.
In other words - they get to decide, not you. |
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The executor or executrix, has a legal obligation to follow the will (desires) of the deceased.
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said by Gone:said by Ian:So if my loved ones want to sell my dead body to a traveling carnival to mummify and make a ring-toss game out of, that's a-OK, regardless of my own wishes on it? I think the bigger question is why do you even care? It's no longer about you. It's about them. Telling your family what they can and cannot do to remember you after you're long and dead is nothing short of self-serving and, indeed, disrespectful of the people who are left behind. It's them who are remembering you, not you remembering yourself. Your own personal opinions. And opinions not necessarily shared by others. Suppose you had religious beliefs that were that however "whole" your body was in the weeks, months, or years after death, would dictate how you would be in some sort of after-life? This is actually one of the reasons why people don't wish to donate organs after death. Should your family have the the right to deviate from your religious beliefs?
said by Gone:Furthermore, legally, you have no right to dictate what happens to you after you die. It is strictly up to your family.
Your knowledge of the law on this is clearly deficient. If in the form of a legal will, you designate what is to happen to your remains, your executor (who may or may not be a family member) is not only responsible for, but is legally-bound to follow your wishes to the letter, so long as your wishes were legal and funded by your estate. As with anything else in a legal will, it would be up to the family to challenge the will in court if they had ideas for disposing of your body at odds with your own.
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said by hm :said by TLS2000:I'm with Gone on this one. I don't care if my loved ones dump my body in a ditch when I'm gone. In fact, I encourage it. I have no further use for my body at that point.
But, that's what you so wish. So your wishes will be respected. Or they could spend untold thousands of dollars. My point was it doesn't matter, because I'll be dead. I'd rather that they didn't waste their money on a funeral, but if they feel the need to do so it's their choice.
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After reading an article about this method I was at odds with this feeling it was an unusual means to deal with a corpse. maybe its the up and coming thing but not something I would desire or chose for my loved ones. there is something about the aspect of the remaining liquid being fit to flush down a drain that bothers me. i can totally accept the traditional methods of a casket burial or cremation followed by burial or dispersion of ashes. but the liquid down the drain piece seems too immediate and mundane . from my point of view a human life with all the memories, experiences, love and contributions deserves something better than being flushed down the drain, like draining the dish water out of the sink after washing the dinner plates and pots. at least its not something i would do to my family or hope they would not do that to me. whats next. collect the liquid for reprocessing, put it in the green bin, road side collection, soylent green |
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