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clawfury

join:2012-02-14
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[Raiding] World of Logs

Morning Guys.

I've played briefly with world of logs before, but I dug into it last night and learned some really interesting things. That is quite a powerful tool for analyzing your performance (outside of things like positioning). Comparing myself to the best BM hunters in the world, I found that I was dropping my SS too much (only 20% uptime) compared to the best (85% uptime). It doesn't seem like much - but over the course of a fight, serpent sting added up to 7.5% of his damage, and 1.5% of mine. I set up Elkano's buff bars, and made my own important debuffs timer window front and center, that should fix that. Basically I think I was focusing on mechanics, and because focus regen is quite high with BM, skipping cobra strikes.

That example being made - what do you guys find useful about WoL? Any tips for me on usage, anything you've learned?


cigtyme
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I DLed last night and played with it, between my Saints losing and not enough raiders on, It is an awesome tool i just took for granted before. I was like sure i don't need that. Then you open up a Log and it can be eye opening.



Treebark
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You are surprised that the Saints lost? Might as well just wait until next year to have hopes of them getting a winning record.



DarkLogix
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reply to cigtyme

Blame Juniper networks for me running late.

I was using SCCM to deploy a laptop but every time the laptop downloaded the wim winpe file via TFTP (a UDP based protocol) the computer came back with boot device inaccessible.

The solution was to bypass the SRX router and connect directly to the server vlan so the juniper router wouldn't corrupt the packets.

as to why we don't just use the layer 3 switches for inter vlan routing, its not up to me and the powers that be refuse to allow that.

so I was stuck in the office for an extra hour and a half.


cigtyme
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Dark, it wasn't you. I take it personally when we don't have 10 on. I don't know why i take it so seriously, but as GM, when a raid doesn't happen i feel like i let 9 other people down.



DarkLogix
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Hay lets all just blame juniper together and feed the Sha of Hate.

I've never been happy that we were forced to use juniper.



Antonica
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reply to cigtyme

Pick a High pop server and get pugs.

Problem solved.

How do you use WoL? Does it have a web interface or is it something you bring up in wow?



Jobbie
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reply to cigtyme

said by cigtyme:

Dark, it wasn't you. I take it personally when we don't have 10 on. I don't know why i take it so seriously, but as GM, when a raid doesn't happen i feel like i let 9 other people down.

I was at the stone dancing with a gnome
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Energystream
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reply to Antonica

If it hasn't changed in the 6 years, then i believe it is primarily web based. It is recount on steroids, it records EVERYTHING.

Does it still require multiple people to have it to be accurate?



JB
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Ghost > SCCM, for pure simplicity.

WoL is just a client that you run to capture the data, then upload the file to the worldoflogs website and then open the log in their website.

AFAIK it only takes 1 person to 'log' the fight for it to work.
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Immer
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said by JB:

WoL is just a client that you run to capture the data, then upload the file to the worldoflogs website and then open the log in their website.

AFAIK it only takes 1 person to 'log' the fight for it to work.

It only takes one in attendance. One step missing, though, is that while in-game you have to tell WoW to dump combat data to a log file with the command "/combatlog". Once your raid is finished, you just type the same command again to stop the log.

Then you open the client, upload the file to WoL, and the client will usually ask you if you'd like to split the file up and archive and delete the uploaded the file... I recommend letting it do all that. The client doesn't like log files that span multiple days, so editing the file can be a pain. Better just to log the current raid, and upload immediately after the raid.
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DarkLogix
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said by JB:

AFAIK it only takes 1 person to 'log' the fight for it to work.

On most fights

I think it might have issues with fights where people get out of combat log range or are phased.

if they're to far (IE Sha or Fear) or phased (Spirit binder) I doubt it remains accurate for any but the one running it on those fights.


Feralmordius

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reply to clawfury

said by clawfury:

...(outside of things like positioning).

It can help with position as it shows damage taken. So it will let you know if you stood in fire or hit by a cleave. If it is showing a low number of attacks that have positional reqs well then maybe the toon is positioned wrong during the fight.

said by JB:

Ghost > SCCM, for pure simplicity.

Granted SCCM takes more setup and more pieces for it work however SCCM >> Ghost in enterprise environments.
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DarkLogix
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SCCM wasn't the problem, the SRX caused PXE boot to fail.

And SCCM can do some very cool things, like computer inventory, install of apps based on AD groups, and alot more.

Its very powerful, but at the same time if setup wrong in some way it can do bad things.

in my case it was just a PXE boot failure caused by corrupted UDP packets.



Immer
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reply to clawfury

said by WoLForums :
World of Logs Mobile App (Android)

Postby dasfool » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:24 pm
World of Logs is an app that allows you to easily view World of Warcraft raid parses that have been uploaded to the World of Logs website.

Current Functionality:
-Choose from many guilds
-View damage reports
-View healing reports
-Toggle pets and other sources
-Copy URLs
-Toggle raw and effective DPS/HPS

***Please note, I have no affiliation with the World of Logs website. They were kind enough to give me their blessing to release this app, but they had nothing to do with its creation, nor its upkeep!***

The majority of the work on this project was done over the summer of 2012 as an educational experience. I have decided to release the product for everyone. I hope you enjoy it!

Things I would like to add in the future (but cannot guarantee):
-Better error descriptions. (BTW, most errors are a result of poor internet connection.)
-Allow inactive and empty guilds to be displayed
-Allow more parses to be displayed
-Some custom graphics to make the app look nicer (not really my strong point...)

The app is on the Android Play Store.
awesome. I will be downloading it the next time I walk out to the car.
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clawfury

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I got this app last night. It's VERY limited in functionality. Nothing like the website at all.



Immer
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yes... but anyone who expects a smartphone app to = full website functionality is swimmin' in silly-sauce.



Immer
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reply to DarkLogix

said by DarkLogix:

said by JB:

AFAIK it only takes 1 person to 'log' the fight for it to work.

On most fights

I think it might have issues with fights where people get out of combat log range or are phased.

if they're to far (IE Sha or Fear) or phased (Spirit binder) I doubt it remains accurate for any but the one running it on those fights.

I know this affects Recount and Skada... but is this really a limitation faced by the WoW client?

also, Skada calculations are closer to WoL calculations where DPS(e) is concerned. So, if you are using Recount in-game, you might feel like WoL is short-changing your dps... it isn't.
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DarkLogix
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Its my understanding they all use the combat log to gather the numbers.

and if you're phased from someone then your combat log can't log them.


clawfury

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The one thing I don't know how to do with WoL is to merge separate logs of the same fight into one coherent log...can this be done?



tuladrin

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reply to clawfury

Hey cig, what do you want for an emergency 10th wheel. The kitty and lock are 90 (440-450) range, the DK tank is 12% away from 89 and got a 90 ret and another 90 worgen hunter that are gathers. Still have to lvl the sp, the fire mage and the elemental shammy, but with x-mas break coming up, I can do whichever one you want



Feralmordius

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reply to clawfury

said by clawfury:

The one thing I don't know how to do with WoL is to merge separate logs of the same fight into one coherent log...can this be done?

I found this trying to look up how world of logs works with bosses that have different Phases.

»forums.worldoflogs.com/viewtopic···2&t=3541

Re: Details of how data is gathered?

Postby cremor » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:24 am
WoL parses everything that WoW writes to the combat log. But sadly WoW doesn't write any data about players in other phases, e.g. the spirit realm. So to answer your question: Yes, for the Spiritbinder fight only your own data will be complete. Or maybe even your own data is not complete, I don't know how WoW handles things like DoTs that are still ticking on the boss when you switch phases.

Re: Details of how data is gathered?

Postby cremor » Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:06 am
No, there is no way to combine multiple logs.
Other sites tried that before but never got it completely working.
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cigtyme
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Prob the lock. OP now and no more HGWT, summoning is nice. and cookies too



DarkLogix
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So just as I thought some fights you can't trust WoL on.

I'm fairly sure that on sha of fear the people that fly to the other add won't get recorded ether.


cigtyme
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BTW on Spirit pus. When you dot up adds in spirit phase, do they stay on? Or do they drop when u leave???



DarkLogix
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I would have to get the next group coming in to look for my dots to know, but I would think they stay but your combat log won't record them anymore.

thus recount/WOL/scada can't record them if the recorder isn't in.


cigtyme
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I was just asking anyone in general if they know the answer to this



DarkLogix
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Problem is it'll be hard to tell, I guess to see you'd have to put a glyphed combustion on one and mark it with a raid marker just as you leave, and leave just as another group comes in.

then the next group could look for the dot.



Immer
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there is no reason to believe the dots just disappear from the mobs when you leave the phase. I've died to DoTs in BGs after watching the perp leave the BG



DarkLogix
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Well I would assume the dot still ticks, but I don't like assuming.