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Samgee

join:2010-08-02
canada
kudos:2
reply to TSI Marc

Re: Copyright - are you affected?

It's interesting that in their newest submission they admit to only creating a single complete copy of each of the files. So, 2000 people, 1 instance of copyright infringement per title?

What's the cost of a couple dozen DVD's divided by 2000? No wonder these jokers never make it to court.

The new law is meant to target providers of content, not downloaders. Now, if they had managed to download a couple dozen copies of each file from each IP, that would be different. That's not what they have indicated they have done.

analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC
said by Samgee:

It's interesting that in their newest submission they admit to only creating a single complete copy of each of the files. So, 2000 people, 1 instance of copyright infringement per title?

Did any of these 2000 people download the movie from the forensics company? A lawyer should ask them to show full logs just to make sure they themselves were not making it available for upload and entrapping people.

Can you link use to where they say it was only one copy.

Samgee

join:2010-08-02
canada
kudos:2
»www.teksavvy.com/Media/Default/C···cord.pdf

Page 13, statement 22;

"In addition, I have analyzed each of the BitTorrent packets distributed by the IP addresses listed in Exhibit B and verified that reassembling the pieces results in a fully playable digital motion picture that is one of Voltage's copyrighted works."

analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC
This doesn't make sense. Did all those 2000 ip's serve up each of the movies listed? That would mean Voltage is going after some really dedicated Voltage fans and that a hole lot of Voltage fan on TSI.

Seems strange they managed to download all those movies from 2000 people (to them IP = person) Where is this magic tracker that has 2000 people/customers from TSI sharing some obscure movies.

If a lawyer could get a list of IP's that were used by Voltage could TSI see if any of the TSI IP's connected to the Voltage IP's which would mean Voltage was making the files available for upload.

hmph

join:2012-10-23
reply to Samgee
This is actually completely ridiculous. This entire case is based off of Canipre's thought that if you are connected to a torrent tracker and downloading p2p content, then you are automatically sharing full copies of the content in question. This is completely false. Canipre would have no access to be able to analyze each transmitted bit-torrent packet, unless they were simultaneously recording all traffic between each p2p user on that specific torrent. A statement claiming to do this, is borderline insane, considering this is close to impossible to accomplish. This case is a complete joke. Canipre obviously doesn't know how the internet works and has no clue how to do anything other then to dish out pointless court cases and claim to use "forensic" software, that just logs IP addresses. In reality they have little to no proof if someone completely a download or distributed a completed download.

If they are able to accomplish their goals of taking money from us once(with little to no proof), what stops them from doing it over and over?

Someone needs to put them in their place.

hmph

join:2012-10-23
reply to analog andy
This is simply not possible.
Teksavvy does not log all traffic to and from their customers (this is illegal, regardless teksavvy would never do such a thing). All that is logged is the IP address and the amount of bandwidth on the customer side.
At this point there would be no way to see if it was Voltage that was sharing the content or not.

funny0

join:2010-12-22
reply to Samgee
said by Samgee:

It's interesting that in their newest submission they admit to only creating a single complete copy of each of the files. So, 2000 people, 1 instance of copyright infringement per title?

What's the cost of a couple dozen DVD's divided by 2000? No wonder these jokers never make it to court.

The new law is meant to target providers of content, not downloaders. Now, if they had managed to download a couple dozen copies of each file from each IP, that would be different. That's not what they have indicated they have done.

no the new law is aimed primarily at counterfeiters and those making money which is why the way it works is judges were instructed to give downloaders and non commercial file sharers the low side of the 100-5000 and ill add its for ALL your infringements

so here is a question to those nailed by it why not admit to everything you ever did and hten you cant be sued later...after all its for all infringements ROFL now that would be funny

i would argue in court ( IAMNL)that as long as im not giving out more then too many copies say past 2-5 then all im doing is giving what i took to be fair to others and as no actual money was exchanged in hands or that can be proved that you cant argue for commercial damages.
the fact they try and say that is funny as just having an ip addy is not anywhere near gonna be enough to prove commercial infringement
thats making money like selling dvdrs or some such even a judge will get on that quick....no money = 5000 max and for a few movies per case they are gonna be lucky to get 100 per movie
up to the max
not worth it in lawyers fees alone....they want to try and prove commercial then take time in court and prove someone made money off your stuff if they didn't and you cant prove it....i'd argue your slandering and defaming people whom are not counterfeiters and perhaps a BIG time class action versus these bums for that aspect of there legal gaming might be worth it

look up misrepresentation.slander and defamtion of character.
ITS one of the reasons hollywood should also stop calling people pirates....its not piracy i had no gun/sword and did no physical harm nor am counterfeiting as anyhting i would have in my possession looks nohting like what you buy in the store. ergo no labels proper not same case or inserts very easy to tell its not original.

id bring in a list of my computers parts costs and bandwidth costs as well as how little i downloaded versus that cost and show its not a winning proposal considering the lack of quality , there just isnt as much worth downloading any more any ways. they are sitting back on 150 years in usa and 80 in canada and putting out garbage filler.

if you were smart youd grab all the tools and stuff to make your own entertainment then just not bother wiht it no more. THE sec your all on vpns and encryption they will eventually ram through key liscensing as in you must give law enforcement the right and ability to look....ya lawful access BUT with a warrant so they just run your name and then spy by watching your key....if you use a bad key you get a charge....

if we don't start reversing this course that is where its going....

and what is a forensics company ? is that l33t speek for some jerks that are illegally spying/logging Canadian citizens without a private investigators liscnese and a warrant?

hrm