| Bell FTTH question Hi all, I have some technical questions with respect to Bell's FTTH in Ontario.
Currently I have Rogers. My modem is in passthrough as it goes into a Palo Alto firewall with DHCP enabled. I get a real public IP on the FW of course. I need this as I use SSL and IPSEC VPN's to my colo.
Now apparently in our new house FTTH will be available, which is awesome since I was hoping they would give me light  Unfortunately the reason I've never gone with Bell is because of their archaic use of phone lines and, worst of all, PPPoE, which is for all intents and purposes "dial up" (having to give a user ID and password prior to connection is something I haven't done since I had a 28.8k modem). Then the public IP used to rotate frequently on the outside while you'd get a private IP inside. All quite useless.
So I am wondering about FTTH, and whether the same old junk applies. Do I have to have an ID / password to "dial up" to my fibre connection? I am hoping they drop a fibre line in with a media converter or router, tip their hat and say "good luck". Sort of what they do with corporate fibre drops.
So for those with FTTH what are my options here? I NEED incoming traffic to work to the Palo Alto, a public IP, and I don't mind DHCP because I never disconnect.
-J |
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kovy
join:2009-03-26
kudos:8 | FTTH still works with PPPOE. |
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yyzlhr
join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:1 | reply to darkrabbit
FTTH still uses PPPoE. However, the days of "dialing" into your broadband connection are long gone. Modern day modems/routers handle the PPPoE connection for you so that you are always on. Pretty much a set it and forget it situation. |
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 Qsig
join:2009-05-18
Kanata, ON | reply to darkrabbit
As stated is still uses PPPoE; If you can tag traffic as VLAN 35 on the interface of the Palo Alto box, you can go directly from the Alcatel-Lucent ONT they'll give you to the firewall. This will skip the Sagemcom 2864 they provide.
I go from this box to my pfsense box so hopefully your firewall can do PPPoE on the interface.  |
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| Thanks guys. Yeah the 'wall will do PPPoE on the interface. I just need to tag traffic I guess, so that's no issue. But.. the fibre connection coming in is an 802.1q tag, is it? So am I right in saying that I could connect the media converter / ONT into a switch which can split VLAN 35 and 36 (TV) off, then hook my FW to a switchport on VLAN 35?
-J |
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| That's my plan this weekend. Why waste power on the sagemcom when I don't need it.
You may have to spoof the Mac of the sagemcom tho. |
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 PaoloMr. Wireless
join:2004-05-29
canada | palo alto? isnt that california? |
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PaoloMr. Wireless
join:2004-05-29
canada | reply to LondonDave
sorry im new to ftth what does paloalto mean? |
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 zed173
join:2010-07-17
Mississauga, ON | reply to Paolo
Re: Bell FTTH question It's also a company that makes firewalls |
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 STN
join:2004-12-29
Canada | reply to darkrabbit
I would caution against replacing the Sagemcom in an FTTH setup. VLAN tagging is not the only required markings on the packets going into the ONT. For internet you may be ok, but for TV the Sagemcom marks the traffic in very specific ways. |
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tbb73
join:2008-09-24
Blainville, QC Reviews:
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| For internet only it's very easy to get rid of the Sagemcom. Tag with ID 35 and spoof the MAC address of the Sagemcom... that's it, easy.
For the TV this is different. You need another VLAN ID (36), you need some static routes and complicated DNS setup because the sagemcom will redirect some DNS requests to the TV service DNSs at Bell... |
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| Very easy. I removed my sagemcom from the FTTH ONT and hooked up the f0.35 port from my cisco 1812 and I'm up and running with one less device on the wall. |
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| How's the throughput on your 1812? What kind of profile (speed) do you have? |
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| I'm on the 15/15 profile so I'm not really working the 1812 too hard. I was able to push the rogers 75/2 through it previously without any problems. |
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PaoloMr. Wireless
join:2004-05-29
canada | and if u do have problems, will bell help you? what if something ends up not working? what is your backup plan?
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| My sagemcom is still configured so if I ever have problems I'll hook that back up before even trying bell. I'm afraid of how confused bell would be if I tried to explain things. |
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said by tbb73:For internet only it's very easy to get rid of the Sagemcom. Tag with ID 35 and spoof the MAC address of the Sagemcom... that's it, easy.
For the TV this is different. You need another VLAN ID (36), you need some static routes and complicated DNS setup because the sagemcom will redirect some DNS requests to the TV service DNSs at Bell...
Did you try to NOW spoof the sagemcom's MAC address ?
What i'm thinking is, leave the sagemcom for my TV feed and use another ethernet port on the ONT to connect my router with vlan 35 on its wan side.
the thing is, Bell stopped accepting multiple PPPoE logins so that makes it impossible to bridge the sagemcom and put a personal firewall behind it.
If its possible to not use the b1xxx code in the sagecom and NOT spoof its mac, it would be possible to use a personal router directly in the ONT
any toughts on this ? |
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yyzlhr
join:2012-09-03
Scarborough, ON
kudos:1 | I could be wrong, but I think I remember reading that only one ethernet port on the ONT is actually active. |
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