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heymang

join:2008-07-03
reply to halfband

Re: [DTA] Are DTA boxes with HD coming out any time soon?

I went ahead and ordered the two free DTAs. The rep did mention they will have HD DTAs in the future but he did not have a specific date.

It was strange he told me HDTVs with QAM tuners did not need a DTA to receive the basic channels, I guess he's operating off old information.



telcodad

join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:4

said by heymang:

It was strange he told me HDTVs with QAM tuners did not need a DTA to receive the basic channels, I guess he's operating off old information.

No, he's probably correct. Unless Comcast was granted an FCC waiver previously for a particular area/system, they have only been able to start encrypting their digital basic service tiers as of Monday (Dec. 10th), and that is only after providing the required 30 days advance notice.

See: »Re: Say goodbye to ClearQAM

heymang

join:2008-07-03

He's definitely not correct as I'm using an HDTV with QAM tuner now and I do not get all the basic channels. If you subscribe to their lowest service, limited basic, you will still need a DTA to view all the channels even if you have an HDTV.

In my area they start encrypting the basic channels a couple weeks ago. I receive zero channels on my old analog set now. With the HDTV's QAM tuner, I get some channels (local networks in HD) while others are now encrypted (local networks in SD, Discovery channel, etc.). I imagine those channels I'm getting via clear QAM will eventually be blocked too.



telcodad

join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:4

said by heymang:

He's definitely not correct as I'm using an HDTV with QAM tuner now and I do not get all the basic channels. If you subscribe to their lowest service, limited basic, you will still need a DTA to view all the channels even if you have an HDTV.

The definition of "Limited Basic" for Comcast is the local OTA broadcast stations along with some local government and education channels: »customer.comcast.com/help-and-su···c-cable/

Unless Comcast had already received a waiver for your area/system, those local broadcast channels should not have been encrypted yet.

said by heymang:

In my area they start encrypting the basic channels a couple weeks ago. I receive zero channels on my old analog set now.

You're not confusing the digital migration (elimination of all analog channels) with encryption are you? After Comcast's digital migration in an area, all older TVs with only NTSC analog tuners must use some kind of box to get any channels off the cable: »customer.comcast.com/help-and-su···igration and »customer.comcast.com/help-and-su···m-tuner/

said by heymang:

With the HDTV's QAM tuner, I get some channels (local networks in HD) while others are now encrypted (local networks in SD, Discovery channel, etc.)

The requirement was that cable companies not encrypt the channels carrying the local broadcast stations' signals. Since most of those stations transmit only in HD, any SD versions that Comcast may be providing themselves, and other cable channels (like Disney, Discovery, etc.), were/are allowed to be encrypted.

said by heymang:

I imagine those channels I'm getting via clear QAM will eventually be blocked too.

Yes, it appears that's just a matter of time now: »Re: Say goodbye to ClearQAM

heymang

join:2008-07-03

said by telcodad:

The definition of "Limited Basic" for Comcast is the local OTA broadcast stations along with some local government and education channels: »customer.comcast.com/help-and-su···c-cable/

Unless Comcast had already received a waiver for your area/system, those local broadcast channels should not have been encrypted yet.

In my area, Limited Basic includes more channels than just those you mentioned. For example Discovery, Ion, and TV Guide channel, are advertised as limited basic channels. Ion is not yet encrypted over QAM though yet.

andyross
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-04
Schaumburg, IL
reply to heymang

said by heymang:

I went ahead and ordered the two free DTAs. The rep did mention they will have HD DTAs in the future but he did not have a specific date.

Unless you have BASIC service, the DTA's will not be free. Most new users now have to pay $1.99 each, and Comcast is eliminating grandfathered free DTA pricing.


telcodad

join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:4
reply to heymang

said by heymang:

said by telcodad:

The definition of "Limited Basic" for Comcast is the local OTA broadcast stations along with some local government and education channels: »customer.comcast.com/help-and-su···c-cable/

Unless Comcast had already received a waiver for your area/system, those local broadcast channels should not have been encrypted yet.

In my area, Limited Basic includes more channels than just those you mentioned. For example Discovery, Ion, and TV Guide channel, are advertised as limited basic channels. Ion is not yet encrypted over QAM though yet.

Yes, Discovery and TV Guide channel are not local OTA broadcast stations, while Ion most likely is and that's why it's still provided in Clear QAM.

heymang

join:2008-07-03

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reply to andyross

said by andyross:

Unless you have BASIC service, the DTA's will not be free. Most new users now have to pay $1.99 each, and Comcast is eliminating grandfathered free DTA pricing.

I have Digital Economy, I was told and my bill reflects no charge for the two DTAs.

logger

join:2012-06-14
Carmel, NY
reply to telcodad

said by telcodad:

Unless Comcast had already received a waiver for your area/system, those local broadcast channels should not have been encrypted yet.

Even if the channels are not encrypted yet, a cable system can foul-up the digital signal configuration in a way that prevents a TV with a QAM tuner from being able to reliably tune to at least some of the channels. The local Comcast system did it. I reported the problem. After many months they partially fixed the problem, later undid the fix, and lost me as a customer.

andyross
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-04
Schaumburg, IL
reply to heymang

said by heymang:

said by andyross See Profile
Unless you have BASIC service, the DTA's will not be free. Most new users now have to pay $1.99 each, and Comcast is eliminating grandfathered free DTA pricing.
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I have Digital Economy, I was told and my bill reflects no charge for the two DTAs.

I think you are correct. My latest bill has a new (higher) price list, and it does state 'Digital Starter or higher' for the $1.99 price.

heymang

join:2008-07-03

said by andyross:

I think you are correct. My latest bill has a new (higher) price list, and it does state 'Digital Starter or higher' for the $1.99 price.

I didn't know Digital Starter and higher weren't eligible for the two free DTAs anymore. So much for thinking having a higher level of service would entitle you to the same perks us lower tier guys get.


telcodad

join:2011-09-16
Lincroft, NJ
kudos:4

Yeah, this is the notice that Comcast was providing in many areas: »Re: [Bill] Comcast DTA

And this is the notice that was printed in my own bill:

Effective Jan 1, 2013, the monthly price for Digital Adapter Outlet service on the first 2 additional outlets for customers with a minimum video subscription of Digital Starter, will change from No Charge to $1.49 per outlet. In addition, subscribers will be charged a separate equipment charge of $.50 per month for each Digital Adapter that is utilized on these outlets. Prices exclude applicable taxes and fees.

dishrich

join:2006-05-12
Springfield, IL

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said by andyross:

I think you are correct. My latest bill has a new (higher) price list, and it does state 'Digital Starter or higher' for the $1.99 price.

said by heymang:

I didn't know Digital Starter and higher weren't eligible for the two free DTAs anymore. So much for thinking having a higher level of service would entitle you to the same perks us lower tier guys get.

Yep, we just got the same notice down here, except ours simply indicates NONE of the pricing on DTA's for limited basic, family & digital economy subs is changing. (ie: first 2 DTA's are still FREE; additional DTA's are still only .50 each) Look under the rate section called VIDEO EQUIPMENT & you'll probably see the same thing we got.

Amazing that the subs spending (WAY) MORE $$$ on the (base) service, now ALSO get to spend more $$$ on the equipment for that service - even thought it's the EXACT, SAME equipment for any of those service levels.

Oh yea, & NOT only do Digital Starter+ subs get to now pay for their (2 FREE) DTA's - they also jacked up the price $1 on full digital boxes ("digital outlets") to $10, AS WELL AS jacking the HD fee up to the same amount! I think the people at CC that are making these rates up are on crack!