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neuromancer1

join:2007-01-22
York, ON
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·VMedia
reply to mlerner

Re: Why we are not opposing motion on Monday.

said by mlerner:

said by neuromancer1:

said by Optional:

Seriously considering taking my business elsewhere. I want to know that my privacy is just that, PRIVATE.

I'm considering this as well. The lack of privacy is huge issue for me even though I'm not accused. Well that and TSI will be nothing but a huge target for copyright lawsuits after this.

Well you watch what Bell, Rogers and the other indies do. I can almost guarantee if they are targeted they will not inform their customers and simply pass on their records.

Good luck to both of you.

It's privacy issue as I said I'm not named in the lawsuit but I gave TSI personal information and some slime ball from Canpire can get it handed to him on silver platter with a few illegal scare tactics. Stop with the fanboy BS, really.


mlerner
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
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said by neuromancer1:

It's privacy issue as I said I'm not named in the lawsuit but I gave TSI person information and some slime ball from Canpire can get it handed to him on silver platter with a few illegal scare tactics. Stop with the fanboy BS, really.

Then what is your problem? You are not named in the lawsuit so your information is not affected and either way, ISPs are LEGALLY required to keep logs for cases like this. They will not hand over information to just anyone without a lawful request but if it comes to it, they CANNOT evade a court order.

The Mongoose

join:2010-01-05
Toronto, ON
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·TekSavvy Cable
reply to neuromancer1

said by neuromancer1:

It's privacy issue as I said I'm not named in the lawsuit but I gave TSI personal information and some slime ball from Canpire can get it handed to him on silver platter with a few illegal scare tactics. Stop with the fanboy BS, really.

Has Teksavvy actually released any information? My understanding is this motion is to get the court order that would force them to turn it over.

The Mongoose

join:2010-01-05
Toronto, ON
Reviews:
·TekSavvy Cable
reply to mlerner

said by mlerner:

said by neuromancer1:

It's privacy issue as I said I'm not named in the lawsuit but I gave TSI person information and some slime ball from Canpire can get it handed to him on silver platter with a few illegal scare tactics. Stop with the fanboy BS, really.

Then what is your problem? You are not named in the lawsuit so your information is not affected and either way, ISPs are LEGALLY required to keep logs for cases like this. They will not hand over information to just anyone without a lawful request but if it comes to it, they CANNOT evade a court order.

I thought we'd established that there isn't a legal requirement to keep the logs, but that an ISP basically can't function without them. I may have missed something.


mlerner
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
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said by The Mongoose:

said by mlerner:

said by neuromancer1:

It's privacy issue as I said I'm not named in the lawsuit but I gave TSI person information and some slime ball from Canpire can get it handed to him on silver platter with a few illegal scare tactics. Stop with the fanboy BS, really.

Then what is your problem? You are not named in the lawsuit so your information is not affected and either way, ISPs are LEGALLY required to keep logs for cases like this. They will not hand over information to just anyone without a lawful request but if it comes to it, they CANNOT evade a court order.

I thought we'd established that there isn't a legal requirement to keep the logs, but that an ISP basically can't function without them. I may have missed something.

I'm trying to dig up some info as I thought there was something in the privacy laws about it.

But also even if it's not in the law, you could make the argument, that if TSI didn't keep logs which then they would have to come back with "sorry, we don't have IP subscriber data" the court could view it as trying to evade the court order.

johansmith

join:2012-12-15

said by mlerner:

I'm trying to dig up some info as I thought there was something in the privacy laws about it.

But also even if it's not in the law, you could make the argument, that if TSI didn't keep logs which then they would have to come back with "sorry, we don't have IP subscriber data" the court could view it as trying to evade the court order.

Not in a million years. Nobody can be compelled to do something that a law does not compel you to do. If a judge would tried it, the order would be appealed and striken so fast your head would spin and the judge would be admonished.


mlerner
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Nepean, ON
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said by johansmith:

said by mlerner:

I'm trying to dig up some info as I thought there was something in the privacy laws about it.

But also even if it's not in the law, you could make the argument, that if TSI didn't keep logs which then they would have to come back with "sorry, we don't have IP subscriber data" the court could view it as trying to evade the court order.

Not in a million years. Nobody can be compelled to do something that a law does not compel you to do. If a judge would tried it, the order would be appealed and striken so fast your head would spin and the judge would be admonished.

Point taken so presumably they could do that.. but they've already identified subscribers by sending out notices so can't go back now or questions would be raised.

UK_Dave

join:2011-01-27
Powassan, ON
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·Bell Sympatico
reply to mlerner

I'm trying to dig up some info as I thought there was something in the privacy laws about it. But also even if it's not in the law you could make the argument, that if TSI didn't keep logs which then they would have to come back with "sorry, we don't have IP subscriber data" the court could view it as trying to evade the court order.
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Already researched with multiple legal, regulatory, and Governmental parties:

There is no law saying you need them. There is no legal comeback from not having them. There is no "evasion" if they don't exist.

But if you have them, and you delete them, you're up the creek without bug spray. You'll be eaten alive.


peterboro
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join:2006-11-03
Ormond Beach, FL
reply to mlerner

said by mlerner:

I'm trying to dig up some info as I thought there was something in the privacy laws about it.

But also even if it's not in the law, you could make the argument, that if TSI didn't keep logs which then they would have to come back with "sorry, we don't have IP subscriber data" the court could view it as trying to evade the court order.

I'm studying case law on three other fronts and my brain will explode if I check these. Someone else can look. »www.canlii.org/en/ca/pcc/

johansmith

join:2012-12-15
reply to mlerner

said by mlerner:

Point taken so presumably they could do that.. but they've already identified subscribers by sending out notices so can't go back now or questions would be raised.

Huh? How would they ID any customer if there are no logs?


mlerner
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5

said by johansmith:

said by mlerner:

Point taken so presumably they could do that.. but they've already identified subscribers by sending out notices so can't go back now or questions would be raised.

Huh? How would they ID any customer if there are no logs?

I'm saying your argument is right, if they claimed originally they had no logs at all, sent out no notice then they could argue that front. But they sent out notices indicating they have identified subscribers so they couldn't claim that now to the court.