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hm

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The "Infringement" letter

Can Teksavvy post a sample copy of the "Infringement" letter people are getting, please. Thanks.

I don't think I actually ever saw the actual letter yet.

NOTE to users here (if TSI doesn't post it):

If you have this letter and wish to post it (copy/paste from Email or similar) then please do. Remove your private info.

Please don't post a screen-shot, image, or Word Doc, if you don't know how to wipe the meta-data. It could give you away.


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No one has yet received such a letter yet. Voltage still hasn't got the names to send them to. At least not TekSavvy customers. Though I'm sure you might try the U.S. to see if anyone down there has a sample letter you can peep at, there have been cases down that a way allready.
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hm

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I mean the Letter/Notice Teksavvy is sending people.


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reply to hm

Dear *******

We write to inform you that TekSavvy has received a court motion from Voltage Pictures LLC that may result in disclosure of your name and contact information. Voltage Pictures LLC (“Voltage”) is asking the court to order TekSavvy to provide the name and contact information of customers associated with IP addresses that Voltage asserts have engaged in copyright infringement. One of the IP addresses identified by Voltage Pictures LLC in this request was *IP Address*, used on *Date* *Time*, which we have determined to be associated with your account. The copyrighted material identified by Voltage was *Movie Title*. The following link leads to the “Notice of Motion” received from Voltage Pictures LLC indicating that Voltage will be asking the Federal Court of Canada for this order on December 17, 2012 in Toronto.

»www.teksavvy.com/Media/Default/C···tion.pdf

Voltage is seeking a court order requiring TekSavvy to disclose your name and contact information. This will allow Voltage to pursue claims against you. We, at TekSavvy, will not provide your information to Voltage unless we are required to do so by a court order and have insisted that Voltage give us the opportunity to provide you with this notice of their intention to seek a disclosure order.

At TekSavvy, we take pride in our dedication to our customers. We listen to our customers and try to respect their needs. We have always fought for our customers’ rights and we take their privacy seriously.

We believe that you have a right to:

1) Have your privacy safeguarded;
2) Be notified that a request for your personal information has been made by a third party; and
3) Have an opportunity to defend yourself when a claim is made against you.
At the same time, rights holders are entitled to enforce their rights under the Copyright Act. TekSavvy therefore encourages everyone to become familiar with their rights and obligations under copyright law. For more information please visit:

»www.teksavvy.com/en/why-teksavvy···n-canada

You should know that TekSavvy does not monitor our customers’ use of the Internet and has no involvement in collecting the IPs presented in this request by Voltage. We are also not in a position to speculate on the validity of the claims, nor contest the request for information.

Voltage Pictures LLC has required us to provide you the following notice:

“Until this matter is resolved, you are on notice to preserve any and all hard drives or other means of electronic storage associated with your above referenced IP address and to take no steps whatsoever to remove, erase, discard, conceal, destroy or delete from any means of electronic storage any evidence of piracy and/or other illegal downloading and distribution of Voltage Picture LLC’s intellectual property. In the event that it is determined, through computer forensic evidence or otherwise, that steps were taken to delete or in any way alter or destroy evidence of piracy activities, you are on notice that said actions will be brought to the court’s attention and further associated remedies will be sought against you.”

On or after December 17, 2012, TekSavvy may receive a court order requiring us to disclose your name and contact information. If that happens, we will notify you immediately. You may wish to seek independent legal advice in connection with Voltage’s motion that will be heard on December 17, 2012. In addition, should you at any time receive a legal demand letter alleging infringement or face a copyright infringement lawsuit, we strongly suggest that you seek independent legal advice. Unfortunately we cannot provide legal advice.

For a complete set of information on the documents filed with the court in the proceeding brought by Voltage that we have received please go to:

»www.teksavvy.com/en/why-teksavvy···ormation

Also please visit: The Government of Canada’s Balanced Copyright
»balancedcopyright.gc.ca/eic/site···ml#amend

Sincerely,
The TekSavvy Team


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What ZombieBanner See Profile put looks about right to me!



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reply to hm

In the event that it is determined, through computer forensic evidence or otherwise, that steps were taken to delete or in any way alter or destroy evidence of piracy activities, you are on notice that said actions will be brought to the court’s attention and further associated remedies will be sought against you.

^ I don't like that part either. ^

All in all, its still part of the scare the bejesuz out of you, all out extortion attempt by the voltagetrolls' manipulation of the legal system so as to compell you to catipulate and pay them the pirates booty, without actually going into ligitation. Hopefully our Canadian Justices can see through this evilness and send the troll packing, never to return and darken our screens again.

In other words the voltagetrolls are scurvy bastids!
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They would want you to delete their content anyways if they proved you were guilty of their crazy allegations.



d4m1r

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Re: The "Infringement" letter

LMFAO at that "please don't delete the evidence" paragraph.....Seems like they will get mad at you if you do!
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reply to ZombieBanner

said by ZombieBanner:

Dear *******

We write to inform you that TekSavvy has received a court motion from Voltage Pictures LLC that may result in disclosure of your name and contact information. Voltage Pictures LLC (“Voltage”) is asking the court to order TekSavvy to provide the name and contact information of customers associated with IP addresses that Voltage asserts have engaged in copyright infringement. One of the IP addresses identified by Voltage Pictures LLC in this request was *IP Address*, used on *Date* *Time*, which we have determined to be associated with your account. The copyrighted material identified by Voltage was

SNIPPED - Too long to quote all of it.

Sincerely,
The TekSavvy Team

If you don't mind me asking, i'm curious what's going through your mind... worried? I won't have you say anything to incriminate yourself, that would be stupid but have you looked for a lawyer? If so what's the retainer?

Let us know what you can without giving too much

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reply to ZombieBanner
Does Voltage has the legal power to put anyone on notice to do not format their Hard Drive? I thought only a police or authority can give someone a notice. I meant right now, even their motion is not approved.

What happens I just go out and throw out my HD and they probably will never find it.



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said by Tong:

Does Voltage has the legal power to put anyone on notice to do not format their Hard Drive? I thought only a police or authority can give someone a notice. I meant right now, even their motion is not approved.

What happens I just go out and throw out my HD and they probably will never find it.

Go out, buy a SSD (upgrade) reinstall everything and tada!.. If only windows ever listened to "Please don't crash"...

Oops i clicked the wrong link in my email, got a virus and i decided to have "geek squad" ugprade my to what they said was blazing fast hard drive.. did you want to see? lol

On topic though, you have a point, they as far as i know do not have the power to put anyone on notice... That's like me putting you on notice at this point


hm

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reply to ZombieBanner

said by ZombieBanner:

“Until this matter is resolved, you are on notice to preserve any and all hard drives or other means of electronic storage associated with your above referenced IP address and to take no steps whatsoever to remove, erase, discard, conceal, destroy or delete from any means of electronic storage any evidence of piracy and/or other illegal downloading and distribution of Voltage Picture LLC’s intellectual property. In the event that it is determined, through computer forensic evidence or otherwise, that steps were taken to delete or in any way alter or destroy evidence of piracy activities, you are on notice that said actions will be brought to the court’s attention and further associated remedies will be sought against you.”

Thanks for posting it, ZombieBanner.

The quote above is the part that concerns me.

The letter is going to teksavvy's accounts receivable (ie the person who pays the bills). People are bitching they didn't do it, but as we all know that leaves your spouse and your 2.5 kids.

In a landlord situation, that also leaves your tenants.

In a student residence, or a student Apt, that leaves you and your 6 buds.

I dunno about Ontario, but if my kids are involved and someone wants to look at my kids private info I'm not sure if something in Qc would help them out. I'll have to look into this.

So in effect, they *are not* stating an IP is a person, as some people are claiming here. They are stating the IP is an entire residence.

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reply to Tx

said by Tx:

If you don't mind me asking, i'm curious what's going through your mind... worried? I won't have you say anything to incriminate yourself, that would be stupid but have you looked for a lawyer? If so what's the retainer?

Let us know what you can without giving too much

I'm not worried, the movie they said I've never downloaded or even seen, it must be a false positive. I have a cousin that is a lawyer, and he advised since I haven't done anything, we will fight it and win.

I'm not worried.

If I get a letter, I will reply back that they must be mistaken, and I will see them in civil court. With computer forensic evidence saying that the file in question has never been on any of my 3 computes or NAS drive with affidavits. When the court settles, I will then counter sue for costs involved.

Even if the counter sue fails. I'm more then happy to pay the money to stand up for my rights, and at least be able to use my case as a precedent.

Now if I had actually downloaded the files... well then I might be worried a bit more.


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said by ZombieBanner:

said by Tx:

If you don't mind me asking, i'm curious what's going through your mind... worried? I won't have you say anything to incriminate yourself, that would be stupid but have you looked for a lawyer? If so what's the retainer?

Let us know what you can without giving too much

I'm not worried, the movie they said I've never downloaded or even seen, it must be a false positive. I have a cousin that is a lawyer, and he advised since I haven't done anything, we will fight it and win.

I'm not worried.

If I get a letter, I will reply back that they must be mistaken, and I will see them in civil court. With computer forensic evidence saying that the file in question has never been on any of my 3 computes or NAS drive with affidavits. When the court settles, I will then counter sue for costs involved.

Even if the counter sue fails. I'm more then happy to pay the money to stand up for my rights, and at least be able to use my case as a precedent.

Now if I had actually downloaded the files... well then I might be worried a bit more.

Not saying i don't believe you but i of course have to say it as to avoid scrutiny with what im about to say.

If what you're saying is true, then you're the walking, talking prime example as to why this process is a sham. Case and point. Sadly you have to fight it in court to prove this and you're lucky enough to know someone in the family that's a lawyer.

Not everyone is so lucky


hm

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reply to ZombieBanner
ZombieBanner, I'm assuming you're single. But, how would you feel if they wanted to rummage through your kids computers or your spouses computers? After-all this is what the TSI letter states, *ALL* devices associated with the IP.

If you get a chance, ask your lawyer relative about this one over Xmas beer.



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said by hm :

ZombieBanner, I'm assuming you're single. But, how would you feel if they wanted to rummage through your kids computers or your spouses computers? After-all this is what the TSI letter states, *ALL* devices associated with the IP.

If you get a chance, ask your lawyer relative about this one over Xmas beer.

All devices associated with that IP would be...in my case, my router?...feel free to examine the contents of the sleek, sexy Netgear WNR3500L that I have?

What I do over my personal network is my personal business...Not that I've received this notice but unless the police come knocking down the door they have no evidence....I don't understand how these processes get to where they are...stupid civil laws...

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reply to Tx

said by Tx:

Not saying i don't believe you but i of course have to say it as to avoid scrutiny with what im about to say.

If what you're saying is true, then you're the walking, talking prime example as to why this process is a sham. Case and point. Sadly you have to fight it in court to prove this and you're lucky enough to know someone in the family that's a lawyer.

Not everyone is so lucky

Trust me I take no offence, everyone is going to play the I'm innocent card. But in my case its true. My hands are not completely clean when it comes to everything but in this case they are.

said by hm :

ZombieBanner, I'm assuming you're single. But, how would you feel if they wanted to rummage through your kids computers or your spouses computers? After-all this is what the TSI letter states, *ALL* devices associated with the IP.

If you get a chance, ask your lawyer relative about this one over Xmas beer.

I am married, but if my wife would of downloaded this she would of told me, as I said above my hands aren't completely clean, and if I was guilty then I would probably settle out of court, as long as the damages were resonable.

Luckly my wife is away for work at the moment for the above time and date stamp, so unless my dog suddently decided to get really bad taste in movies I think I'm safe.

You can speed as much as you want, but if you get caught you pay the fine.

Thats escatly why if they said all devices, I would get an independent computer forensic statement, and avifidavid.
Yes this is going to cost me some money, but again I have a friend in the industry and would be at a resonable cost to prove my innocence and set a precedence for other people.

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I wonder if they are going to try to get a judgement again your dog if it is only living being in your house when the "download" occurred. That would be funny



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said by Tong:

I wonder if they are going to try to get a judgement again your dog if it is only living being in your house when the "download" occurred. That would be funny

Let's not forget (though you may not of heard of it) some rich woman (i think from Toronto?) died and left her fortune to her dog... could be a good choice.

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