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dirtyjeffer
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Airlines now MUST use "all-in-one" pricing.

Good. I've been saying this for years. Hopefully, everything else will follow suit (car advertisements, etc).

»tc.gc.ca/eng/mediaroom/releases-···7006.htm



shaner
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I want all-in pricing for everything. Even lemons at the grocery store.



dirtyjeffer
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i remember when Bell had the all-in-one pricing...it was the best move, but they backed off when others failed to follow...IC should have made that the law...sadly, $25 rate plans were back to being $40/month.



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Yeah cars would be the next one to target. All of the additional fees - which are usually bullshit as it is - need to be rolled right into the advertised price and not thrown on at the last minute when you're about to sign on the dotted line.



dirtyjeffer
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said by Gone:

Yeah cars would be the next one to target. All of the additional fees - which are usually bullshit as it is - need to be rolled right into the advertised price and not thrown on at the last minute when you're about to sign on the dotted line.

yea, but not even as much with that as how they are advertised...you always see a car ad that says "2013 Canyonero from $24,995", but they show you a picture of the XLT Turbo with Super Premium package that sells for $40k...if you are going to advertise a $25k price, then they should be showing the $25k car, not the $40k model.
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They almost always print "As Shown 40,995" across the bottom of the screen or page or whatever in ads like that.

The issue with cars are all the additional fees that get tacked on at purchased. That, in the context of airline fees, is what needs to be dealt with swiftly. It can add $2000-$4000 onto the price of a car depending on the manufacturer.



dirtyjeffer
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said by Gone:

They almost always print "As Shown 40,995" across the bottom of the screen or page or whatever in ads like that.

The issue with cars are all the additional fees that get tacked on at purchased. That, in the context of airline fees, is what needs to be dealt with swiftly. It can add $2000-$4000 onto the price of a car depending on the manufacturer.

yea, but i hate the 12 lines of 2 font print at the bottom of the ads (i think they do have to mention that somewhere)...there usually is an asterisk or some fine print of "XLT Turbo shown"...my point is, they shouldn't do it at all...if there is a price there, the picture should match the price shown.

regarding the fees on the cars, i agree...freight and PDI, admin fees, etc...just roll them into the price...Saturn used to do this (or something similar)...i liked that.
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And that was one of the reasons I bought three Saturns over the years. No mind games. No numbers games. No bullshit.
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kingb71

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I wish the airlines used all in one pricing when shipping air cargo!
There must be 7 surcharges now and a new one coming January 1st


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said by kingb71:

I wish the airlines used all in one pricing when shipping air cargo!
There must be 7 surcharges now and a new one coming January 1st

Ever notice fuel surcharges seem to only ever go up?
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said by HeadSpinning:

Ever notice fuel surcharges seem to only ever go up?

I bring freight in from Toronto and Georgia all the time. That's so true it's not even funny.


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said by dirtyjeffer:

yea, but i hate the 12 lines of 2 font print at the bottom of the ads (i think they do have to mention that somewhere)...there usually is an asterisk or some fine print of "XLT Turbo shown"...my point is, they shouldn't do it at all...if there is a price there, the picture should match the price shown.

Not only that, it's shown for less than 1 second!!! and even on a HDTV, its impossible to read some of that crap. How is that shit legal?

They all say "nicely equipped for $12,999" when its a base model with plastic hubcaps, manual tranny and no air conditioning.
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We've already had everything in this new law in Quebec for quite some time, so all the airlines were already using all-in pricing. I don't see how this new law will change anything since they're already doing it.
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said by Guspaz:

We've already had everything in this new law in Quebec for quite some time, so all the airlines were already using all-in pricing. I don't see how this new law will change anything since they're already doing it.

There's more to Canada than just Quebec.

Not only that, airlines are federally regulated so I don't see how Quebec would have been able to do anything anyway.


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said by HeadSpinning:

said by kingb71:

I wish the airlines used all in one pricing when shipping air cargo!
There must be 7 surcharges now and a new one coming January 1st

Ever notice fuel surcharges seem to only ever go up?

That's one thing that always astounds me.. "Surcharges". Just raise your bloody rate to cover the "surcharges". It's almost like they're trying to show that the cost of their product is X and all the other charges are someone else's fault.
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said by Gone:

said by Guspaz:

We've already had everything in this new law in Quebec for quite some time, so all the airlines were already using all-in pricing. I don't see how this new law will change anything since they're already doing it.

There's more to Canada than just Quebec.

Not only that, airlines are federally regulated so I don't see how Quebec would have been able to do anything anyway.

Advertising is a provincial matter.
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kingb71

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reply to HeadSpinning

said by HeadSpinning:

said by kingb71:

I wish the airlines used all in one pricing when shipping air cargo!
There must be 7 surcharges now and a new one coming January 1st

Ever notice fuel surcharges seem to only ever go up?

I've actually seen some go down recently, but they never seem to go down as much as they go up and they don't go down as quickly as they go up. However I've seen some trucking fuel surcharges in the 30+% range!


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said by Guspaz:

We've already had everything in this new law in Quebec for quite some time, so all the airlines were already using all-in pricing.

I don't see how this new law will change anything since they're already doing it.

 
You are quite right.

Quebec is known for tougher consumer protection laws, and IMNSHO deserves a kudo or three for this attitude.

Yes, I have noticed this as much as 3 years ago when on the SunWing site - when checking vacation flights outbound from Dorval (YUL, Montreal), the BIG up-front number had everything included, but for Ottawa and Toronto, it did not, and a smaller number (or a click-thru) showed the full cost.

This is long overdue for the rest of Canada, but we are grateful that it is here now.

And yes, let's do CARS next.

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said by elwoodblues:

said by HeadSpinning:

said by kingb71:

I wish the airlines used all in one pricing when shipping air cargo!
There must be 7 surcharges now and a new one coming January 1st

Ever notice fuel surcharges seem to only ever go up?

That's one thing that always astounds me.. "Surcharges". Just raise your bloody rate to cover the "surcharges". It's almost like they're trying to show that the cost of their product is X and all the other charges are someone else's fault.

The problem with that is they don't control most of the "surcharges". They can change from minute to minute.

And most of the surcharges are not the airlines fault.

NAV Canada, FAA, USA customs & imigration, airport taxes, provincial and federal taxes, USA taxes...the list is long. Who's fault are they?

Bill


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said by joeblow3:

The problem with that is they don't control most of the "surcharges". They can change from minute to minute.

And most of the surcharges are not the airlines fault.

NAV Canada, FAA, USA customs & imigration, airport taxes, provincial and federal taxes, USA taxes...the list is long. Who's fault are they?

Bill

Taxes I don't care that's never "all in one", but to say the flight is $100 then a $100 fuel surcharge (they know their fuel costs so don't tell me they can't put in the price), Nav fee (fixed), Security fee (fixed) , USA fees (again fixed) tacked on is borderline criminal.
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said by elwoodblues:

Advertising is a provincial matter.

Employment standards are a provincial matter too, except in businesses subject to federal regulation. This is why I am not so sure it would be as cut and dry to claim a province could do that - for airlines, anyway.

Edit - after all, if it was a provincial matter how could the feds involve themselves in this now anyway?


shaner
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I don't care where the fees come from. The advertised price should include all fees and taxes. The invoice can break them out if they want, fine by me, but don't lure me in with "low prices" when the end price is nowhere near that amount.



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said by shaner:

I don't care where the fees come from. The advertised price should include all fees and taxes.

How can you run a national advertising campaign while including prices that have to reflect local variations in taxes?

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To be fair, there are so few actual "national" advertising campaigns. They are mostly regional anyways. So, if you're running a regional ad, you know what the final price is in that region anyways.

I know you already know this, but the regional variation on taxes in Canada is at the provincial level anyways. There aren't municipal sales taxes in Canada like there are in the US.

I don't see it as a huge problem since most national companies with something to sell have varying regional prices anyways.
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said by Gone:

There's more to Canada than just Quebec.

Not only that, airlines are federally regulated so I don't see how Quebec would have been able to do anything anyway.

Air Canada is a Quebec company. They have to adhere to Quebec law. And because of the regulations in Quebec, Air Canada is already advertising all-in prices, as are Porter and WestJet (perhaps for unrelated reasons).

So my point is, all the airlines are ALREADY advertising all-in prices, so this new federal legislation requiring them to do so doesn't change anything. They're requiring something that they're already doing, and something that they're already required to do by provincial law anyhow. And since the largest airline in the country is based in Quebec, they have to adhere to Quebec law.
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dirtyjeffer
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that is great if you live in Quebec, but that isn't how things have been done for the rest of the country...now, the law applies nationally, which is a good thing.



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said by Guspaz:

Air Canada is a Quebec company. They have to adhere to Quebec law.

Wrong. They're not a "Quebec company" rather they are a "Canadian company." They are incorporated federally and their regulation is the exclusive realm of the federal government, something enshrined so deeply that it exists at a constitutional level. The location of their headquarters is completely irrelevant.

Airlines may very well be bound by Quebec law with regards to advertising regulations. On other matters - most specifically employment standards are the ones that jump to my mind - Quebec has zero say and can't make AC or any other airline do anything the feds don't require them to do.


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said by Gone:

On other matters - most specifically employment standards are the ones that jump to my mind - Quebec has zero say and can't make AC or any other airline do anything the feds don't require them to do.

How about the use of English?


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said by Steve:

How about the use of English?

Both, not one or the other.

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said by Guspaz:

said by Gone:

There's more to Canada than just Quebec.

Not only that, airlines are federally regulated so I don't see how Quebec would have been able to do anything anyway.

Air Canada is a Quebec company. They have to adhere to Quebec law. And because of the regulations in Quebec, Air Canada is already advertising all-in prices, as are Porter and WestJet (perhaps for unrelated reasons).

So my point is, all the airlines are ALREADY advertising all-in prices, so this new federal legislation requiring them to do so doesn't change anything. They're requiring something that they're already doing, and something that they're already required to do by provincial law anyhow. And since the largest airline in the country is based in Quebec, they have to adhere to Quebec law.

Actually, these new regulations are the reason all airlines are ALREADY advertising all-in pricing. They knew this was coming, and started complying. The regulations now make it official, and will prevent airlines from changing their minds.