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dirtyjeffer
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Re: Replaced the Impala

said by Gone:
The 3800 is an old - albeit a well-loved - design. It is simply not nearly as efficient as the new V6 designs that are out there now.
i realize that, but this car is a 2008 model, not a 1996 model.

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The 3L Vulcan V6 I had in my Topaz was only good for 180HP if I remember correctly. Same pushrod design and all.

155hp...the 3.0L 24V V6 my 2000 Taurus had was rated at 200hp and 200 torques...that is the same hp as this 2008 model 3.8L...that's pretty sad.
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dirtyjeffer
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yup...200hp/230 torques.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_LaCrosse#Models

that engine is massively underpowered...it's a great engine, but no wonder they don't use it any more.
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Gone
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The 3800 is a 12 valve pushrod engine. It's the same engine, except for very minor upgrades, in 2008 as it was in 1988. Seriously. It's old.

That 3L you had in your Taurus wasn't a Vulcan. It would have had to be a Duratec. The Vulcan only had 12 valves, though like GM Ford used that engine from the mid-80s well into the late 2000s because it was a solid beast that worked well. The Vulcan in my Topaz would have only been rated for 140hp, for some reason I always thought it was more. Even the late-2000s Vulcans were only good for a bit more hp than they were 20 years earlier.


dirtyjeffer
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yea, my Taurus had the Duratec V6...and it isn't just this engine...Ford still uses that 207hp 4.0L V6 dog in their Ranger forever...they make a 305hp 3.7 V6 (used in the Mustang), yet still use that old dud in the Ranger.


Gone
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Wasn't the 4L the Windsor? Or was that the Essex? One was 4L, the other was 3.5L.

Heh, just noticed - Windsor and Essex. Go figure.

Edit - the 4L was the Cologne. The Windsors were V8s. And the Essex was 3.8L, not 3.5.

telco_mtl

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said by Gone:

The 3800 is a 12 valve pushrod engine. It's the same engine, except for very minor upgrades, in 2008 as it was in 1988. Seriously. It's old.

so old gm built it as a low buck replacement for a V8 in the 60s. they sold the tooling to AMC and eventually bought it back. there were oilpans stamped with the AMC logo into the 90s in 3800 gms