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Guspaz
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reply to dirtyjeffer

Re: Airlines now MUST use "all-in-one" pricing.

We've already had everything in this new law in Quebec for quite some time, so all the airlines were already using all-in pricing. I don't see how this new law will change anything since they're already doing it.
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Gone
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said by Guspaz:

We've already had everything in this new law in Quebec for quite some time, so all the airlines were already using all-in pricing. I don't see how this new law will change anything since they're already doing it.

There's more to Canada than just Quebec.

Not only that, airlines are federally regulated so I don't see how Quebec would have been able to do anything anyway.


elwoodblues
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said by Gone:

said by Guspaz:

We've already had everything in this new law in Quebec for quite some time, so all the airlines were already using all-in pricing. I don't see how this new law will change anything since they're already doing it.

There's more to Canada than just Quebec.

Not only that, airlines are federally regulated so I don't see how Quebec would have been able to do anything anyway.

Advertising is a provincial matter.
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reply to Guspaz
said by Guspaz:

We've already had everything in this new law in Quebec for quite some time, so all the airlines were already using all-in pricing.

I don't see how this new law will change anything since they're already doing it.

 
You are quite right.

Quebec is known for tougher consumer protection laws, and IMNSHO deserves a kudo or three for this attitude.

Yes, I have noticed this as much as 3 years ago when on the SunWing site - when checking vacation flights outbound from Dorval (YUL, Montreal), the BIG up-front number had everything included, but for Ottawa and Toronto, it did not, and a smaller number (or a click-thru) showed the full cost.

This is long overdue for the rest of Canada, but we are grateful that it is here now.

And yes, let's do CARS next.

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Gone
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said by elwoodblues:

Advertising is a provincial matter.

Employment standards are a provincial matter too, except in businesses subject to federal regulation. This is why I am not so sure it would be as cut and dry to claim a province could do that - for airlines, anyway.

Edit - after all, if it was a provincial matter how could the feds involve themselves in this now anyway?


Guspaz
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said by Gone:

There's more to Canada than just Quebec.

Not only that, airlines are federally regulated so I don't see how Quebec would have been able to do anything anyway.

Air Canada is a Quebec company. They have to adhere to Quebec law. And because of the regulations in Quebec, Air Canada is already advertising all-in prices, as are Porter and WestJet (perhaps for unrelated reasons).

So my point is, all the airlines are ALREADY advertising all-in prices, so this new federal legislation requiring them to do so doesn't change anything. They're requiring something that they're already doing, and something that they're already required to do by provincial law anyhow. And since the largest airline in the country is based in Quebec, they have to adhere to Quebec law.
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dirtyjeffer
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that is great if you live in Quebec, but that isn't how things have been done for the rest of the country...now, the law applies nationally, which is a good thing.


Gone
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said by Guspaz:

Air Canada is a Quebec company. They have to adhere to Quebec law.

Wrong. They're not a "Quebec company" rather they are a "Canadian company." They are incorporated federally and their regulation is the exclusive realm of the federal government, something enshrined so deeply that it exists at a constitutional level. The location of their headquarters is completely irrelevant.

Airlines may very well be bound by Quebec law with regards to advertising regulations. On other matters - most specifically employment standards are the ones that jump to my mind - Quebec has zero say and can't make AC or any other airline do anything the feds don't require them to do.


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said by Gone:

On other matters - most specifically employment standards are the ones that jump to my mind - Quebec has zero say and can't make AC or any other airline do anything the feds don't require them to do.

How about the use of English?


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said by Steve:

How about the use of English?

Both, not one or the other.

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reply to Guspaz
said by Guspaz:

said by Gone:

There's more to Canada than just Quebec.

Not only that, airlines are federally regulated so I don't see how Quebec would have been able to do anything anyway.

Air Canada is a Quebec company. They have to adhere to Quebec law. And because of the regulations in Quebec, Air Canada is already advertising all-in prices, as are Porter and WestJet (perhaps for unrelated reasons).

So my point is, all the airlines are ALREADY advertising all-in prices, so this new federal legislation requiring them to do so doesn't change anything. They're requiring something that they're already doing, and something that they're already required to do by provincial law anyhow. And since the largest airline in the country is based in Quebec, they have to adhere to Quebec law.

Actually, these new regulations are the reason all airlines are ALREADY advertising all-in pricing. They knew this was coming, and started complying. The regulations now make it official, and will prevent airlines from changing their minds.


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said by NCRGuy:

Actually, these new regulations are the reason all airlines are ALREADY advertising all-in pricing. They knew this was coming, and started complying. The regulations now make it official, and will prevent airlines from changing their minds.

So, in other words, Quebec's own advertising-related laws have no force on a federally-regulated airline. Gotcha. Just as I suspected.

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said by Gone:

said by NCRGuy:

Actually, these new regulations are the reason all airlines are ALREADY advertising all-in pricing. They knew this was coming, and started complying. The regulations now make it official, and will prevent airlines from changing their minds.

So, in other words, Quebec's own advertising-related laws have no force on a federally-regulated airline. Gotcha. Just as I suspected.

Oh no, they do. But it only applied to advertising in Quebec. Now it applies nation-wide.


Gone
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Gotcha. Like I said, I wasn't entirely sure on that matter, since there is other provincial legislation that they are specifically exempt from and instead have their own federal counterpart.