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Re: Time to start shopping for a new isp.

said by koreyb:

I can tell you for a fact the big 3 would hand over your info

As you've stated fact. Could you please provide me evidence of this? No one claims fact unless they know something the rest of the world doesn't, unless it's pure speculation.

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There's a good chance all other ISP's would throw their clients under the bus, UNLESS they had something to lose. But by retaining logs for longer than the minimum necessary they are increasing the likelihood of having to put a third party's interests above their customer's. And we know who pays the bills.

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said by koreyb:

I can tell you for a fact the big 3 would hand over your info

As you've stated fact. Could you please provide me evidence of this? No one claims fact unless they know something the rest of the world doesn't, unless it's pure speculation.

You mean like this:
»Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Bell, Cogeco & Videotron all handed over info to Voltage last year after receiving a court order. None of them fought the court order.
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said by resa1983:

said by Tx:

said by koreyb:

I can tell you for a fact the big 3 would hand over your info

As you've stated fact. Could you please provide me evidence of this? No one claims fact unless they know something the rest of the world doesn't, unless it's pure speculation.

You mean like this:
»Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Bell, Cogeco & Videotron all handed over info to Voltage last year after receiving a court order. None of them fought the court order.

I do not see Rogers named. The response was also pertinent to his statement he knows for a fact it will happen this time around as well.

We can't go by history either. Teksavvy had a history as well of doing things that it no longer does. So let's ignore the "they have a history of..." stuff.

When a bold statement such as "fact" is said pertinent to recent events, it tell's me one has more information then the rest of us know.

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said by Tx:

I do not see Rogers named. The response was also pertinent to his statement he knows for a fact it will happen this time around as well.

We can't go by history either. Teksavvy had a history as well of doing things that it no longer does. So let's ignore the "they have a history of..." stuff.

When a bold statement such as "fact" is said pertinent to recent events, it tell's me one has more information then the rest of us know.

Nobody goes after Rogers. I suspect this has something to do with the rumour that Rogers requests $200 per IP to get a subscriber name.
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said by resa1983:

said by Tx:

I do not see Rogers named. The response was also pertinent to his statement he knows for a fact it will happen this time around as well.

We can't go by history either. Teksavvy had a history as well of doing things that it no longer does. So let's ignore the "they have a history of..." stuff.

When a bold statement such as "fact" is said pertinent to recent events, it tell's me one has more information then the rest of us know.

Nobody goes after Rogers. I suspect this has something to do with the rumour that Rogers requests $200 per IP to get a subscriber name.

Then maybe for once Rogers has the right idea?... You answered it yourself if true. I think it should be more, and that said i'm rather curious what Marc will be charging per

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said by Tx:

said by resa1983:

said by Tx:

I do not see Rogers named. The response was also pertinent to his statement he knows for a fact it will happen this time around as well.

We can't go by history either. Teksavvy had a history as well of doing things that it no longer does. So let's ignore the "they have a history of..." stuff.

When a bold statement such as "fact" is said pertinent to recent events, it tell's me one has more information then the rest of us know.

Nobody goes after Rogers. I suspect this has something to do with the rumour that Rogers requests $200 per IP to get a subscriber name.

Then maybe for once Rogers has the right idea?... You answered it yourself if true. I think it should be more, and that said i'm rather curious what Marc will be charging per

The thing is, its only to cover COSTS, not to make the IP->subscriber prohibitive.

Its really up to the courts what costs are assigned.. ISP will submit their actual costs, and it may be that an ISP has to 'eat' some of it. Rogers is extremely inefficient. We've seen this with 2011-703, where they go back and do things multiple times (running up costs of doing things). Its very possible that Rogers had to eat some of the costs of the IP->sub as they were already insanely high.
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said by resa1983:

Nobody goes after Rogers. I suspect this has something to do with the rumour that Rogers requests $200 per IP to get a subscriber name.

ISPs in Australia implemented a similar system....It costs them money to provide replies to 3rd parties on copyright grounds just like it cost TSI to identify, email, etc those 2000+ subscribers. I doubt Voltage paid TSI a cent....In Australia, those ISPs just started charging like $50 per request even and they saw the number plummet...It seems like these trolls and their movie studio employers are really really concerned with privacy...Until they gotta put money where their mouth is...

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said by Amou:

You could just stay and don't do illegal things but bye and good luck.

Wow.. I'm just lost for words...

Educate yourself, then post...

Wow...seriously. I always knew there were sheep online but they got that guy hook line and sinker...
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said by d4m1r:

said by resa1983:

Nobody goes after Rogers. I suspect this has something to do with the rumour that Rogers requests $200 per IP to get a subscriber name.

ISPs in Australia implemented a similar system....It costs them money to provide replies to 3rd parties on copyright grounds just like it cost TSI to identify, email, etc those 2000+ subscribers. I doubt Voltage paid TSI a cent....In Australia, those ISPs just started charging like $50 per request even and they saw the number plummet...It seems like these trolls and their movie studio employers are really really concerned with privacy...Until they gotta put money where their mouth is...

Once TSI submits costs to the court, the judge will make a decision as to how much TSI will get, and then make an order.
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Once TSI submits costs to the court, the judge will make a decision as to how much TSI will get, and then make an order.

I'm not so sure TSI have to lose money by insisting on notifying their customers, as Marc stated.

When I called PrivCom about the Videotron, Bell & Cogeco Hurt Locker suit, they said they have a responsibility for protection of info, which Videotron, Bell and Cogeco chose to ignore.

Now I'm sure Marc got sound legal advice and Bean-counter advice, however, I just question this.

Protection can come in many forms. In this case protection came with your right to be informed (as Marc has done) when your private info can end up some place shady, and it's up to you to get legal counsil to quash.

Thus, Marc performed his duties under PIPEDA (as I see it).

Or as the Ontario Office of the Information and Privacy Commissioner (IPC.on.ca), Dr. Ann Cavoukian, would state: Marc performed his duty by having privacy built into the process as best he could under the circumstances.

So as far as I see it both fed and prov (although this is Fed regulated) Marc did his duty. Up to people to pull up their socks as well.

So, should these monies be claimed? Of course. Protection, as it pertains to Fed reg's (and even prov) has been completed.

Marc seems to think otherwise, but I would fight this and claim the cost of notice as well since it served also as protection (which many may just ignore, their choice).

Anyhow that's just my argument into the cost and why it should be costed and not come out of TSI's pocket.


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said by resa1983:

The thing is, its only to cover COSTS, not to make the IP->subscriber prohibitive.

Its really up to the courts what costs are assigned.. ISP will submit their actual costs, and it may be that an ISP has to 'eat' some of it. Rogers is extremely inefficient. We've seen this with 2011-703, where they go back and do things multiple times (running up costs of doing things). Its very possible that Rogers had to eat some of the costs of the IP->sub as they were already insanely high.

Well considering they're being asked to associate 2300 IP's to accounts be it a 10% margin of them are the same user, high paid techs and "administrative fee's" could easily be pushed to a level of which is fair to TSI but absurd for Voltage to pay in order to get.

I'll be honest, i'm surprised a judge hasn't looked at Voltage's history over the last 6 years and seen that they barely produce movies anymore, they are just going after people as the new business model and this is not what copyright was intended for.

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said by Tx:

said by resa1983:

The thing is, its only to cover COSTS, not to make the IP->subscriber prohibitive.

Its really up to the courts what costs are assigned.. ISP will submit their actual costs, and it may be that an ISP has to 'eat' some of it. Rogers is extremely inefficient. We've seen this with 2011-703, where they go back and do things multiple times (running up costs of doing things). Its very possible that Rogers had to eat some of the costs of the IP->sub as they were already insanely high.

Well considering they're being asked to associate 2300 IP's to accounts be it a 10% margin of them are the same user, high paid techs and "administrative fee's" could easily be pushed to a level of which is fair to TSI but absurd for Voltage to pay in order to get.

I'll be honest, i'm surprised a judge hasn't looked at Voltage's history over the last 6 years and seen that they barely produce movies anymore, they are just going after people as the new business model and this is not what copyright was intended for.

Nobody but CIPPIC has brought up history, therefore the Judge can't really use it to make a decision yay or nay. Once CIPPIC becomes an intervenor, and a mini-trial of evidence prior to the court order occurs, only then can all this be brought up.
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said by Tx:

said by koreyb:

I can tell you for a fact the big 3 would hand over your info

As you've stated fact. Could you please provide me evidence of this? No one claims fact unless they know something the rest of the world doesn't, unless it's pure speculation.

would you like a log of a rogers tach tellign me that in 1998 they used the fbi as security back in the @home days...effectively handing over to a foreign power your privacy and security?

ive got the drive and its been barely still working
and bell well ive got one story for you and they broke the law cutting off 9/11 on me...i could have died.
tell me this is a nice company , oh and my familly used ot be all bell they have all now switched to other phone services.

thats the price a being mean


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said by funny0:

said by Tx:

said by koreyb:

I can tell you for a fact the big 3 would hand over your info

As you've stated fact. Could you please provide me evidence of this? No one claims fact unless they know something the rest of the world doesn't, unless it's pure speculation.

would you like a log of a rogers tach tellign me that in 1998 they used the fbi as security back in the @home days...effectively handing over to a foreign power your privacy and security?

ive got the drive and its been barely still working
and bell well ive got one story for you and they broke the law cutting off 9/11 on me...i could have died.
tell me this is a nice company , oh and my familly used ot be all bell they have all now switched to other phone services.

thats the price a being mean

Although not relevant to the issue at hand or discussion, i'd love to see this log.

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said by Tx:

Although not relevant to the issue at hand or discussion, i'd love to see this log.

of course you would tell me how would i do that and keep my anonimity i know ill upload this to the pirate bay and come back after i do this (its the darn holidays bud ) and ill out that
ya no problem


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said by funny0:

said by Tx:

Although not relevant to the issue at hand or discussion, i'd love to see this log.

of course you would tell me how would i do that and keep my anonimity i know ill upload this to the pirate bay and come back after i do this (its the darn holidays bud ) and ill out that
ya no problem

»pastebin.com/


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said by Tx:

said by funny0:

said by Tx:

Although not relevant to the issue at hand or discussion, i'd love to see this log.

of course you would tell me how would i do that and keep my anonimity i know ill upload this to the pirate bay and come back after i do this (its the darn holidays bud ) and ill out that
ya no problem

Doesn't get easier then this. »pastebin.com/

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said by Tx:

Doesn't get easier then this. »pastebin.com/

and when i do that what is then your brain gonna say ....its actually common knowledge as well that the early @ home DCHP servers were inside the usa ....whom do you think was doing it a hired hand in california? haha and no not doing it...you don't believe that is your issue. Have you asked rogers about there early days?
What did they say get a direct full quote then we might talk more on this , cause i love it when a corporation gets caught lying and someone has proof.


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said by funny0:

said by Tx:

Doesn't get easier then this. »pastebin.com/

and when i do that what is then your brain gonna say ....its actually common knowledge as well that the early @ home DCHP servers were inside the usa ....whom do you think was doing it a hired hand in california? haha and no not doing it...you don't believe that is your issue. Have you asked rogers about there early days?
What did they say get a direct full quote then we might talk more on this , cause i love it when a corporation gets caught lying and someone has proof.

Uhm, dude... you're the one that said you would do it... I gave you a secure method of posting it... password it if you like. Don't just be all talk. If you say you have something and ask if someone wants proof of it, then when they say sure don't then say no.

You're absolutely confusing.