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NewBellUser

@bell.ca

Does Bell allow Dual Login?

Could I connect a Wireless N router to my Sagemcom modem and having both dial into the Bell PPPOEEEEEE system in the same time?

Idea is for Sagemcom to connect to all my light usage wireless g and b. While i'll have a dedicated wireless router for my laptops with N.


decx
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Vancouver, BC

Yes it does.



BliZZardX
Premium
join:2002-08-18
Toronto, ON
Reviews:
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reply to NewBellUser

I thought they just changed the policy so you're only allowed ONE session per login (after many complaints of unverified usage)
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Frank_IT
Premium
join:2003-11-01
Montreal
reply to NewBellUser

Its not a policy. Its the new platform that allow only One pppoe connection at a time.
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NewBellUser

@bell.ca
reply to BliZZardX

I just called 310-Surf and they have no idea what double login means... Their scripted answer Sagemcom is equipped with wireless and if range is not good i could get an extender...

Anyone from Bell can help me with this?


ns1225

join:2010-12-30
Montreal, QC
Reviews:
·Bell Sympatico

said by NewBellUser :

I just called 310-Surf and they have no idea what double login means... Their scripted answer Sagemcom is equipped with wireless and if range is not good i could get an extender...

Anyone from Bell can help me with this?

Don't ever call them for technical questions regarding PPPOE, sync rate etc. This is the place for that sort of stuff.

decx
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Vancouver, BC
reply to NewBellUser

Interesting, it must be quite a recent change (last few months?). Not long ago 2 or more PPPoE sessions were possible.



Rtfaup

@74.198.164.x

It's against the acceptable use policy, thought i don't think they monitor this if its from the same DSL line.



JCohen
Premium
join:2010-10-19
Nepean, ON
kudos:6
reply to NewBellUser

Connect your router to the Sagemcom and just use it wifi, let the Sagemcom handle all the PPPOE and DHCP.



DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
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join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
kudos:2
reply to Rtfaup

said by Rtfaup :

It's against the acceptable use policy, thought i don't think they monitor this if its from the same DSL line.

It will also split your speed in half.
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Dcite

join:2006-05-12
Mississauga, ON
reply to NewBellUser

Instead of speed in half from two logins, If this is being done on 1 physical phone line, won't be able to handle two DSL syncs.

In this scenario, a good option might be to have DSL model to Wireless N Router, and then connecting an additional slower wireless access point to the Wireless N router via the LAN ports to provide wireless G.



JCohen
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said by Dcite:

Instead of speed in half from two logins, If this is being done on 1 physical phone line, won't be able to handle two DSL syncs.

Two logins on the same line is completely different from having two devices trying to sync on your line.


noemails

@bell.ca
reply to DKS

wrong



DKS
Damn Kidney Stones
Premium,ExMod 2002
join:2001-03-22
Owen Sound, ON
kudos:2

said by noemails :

wrong

Last time I tried it that's what happened. Whatever.
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noemails

@bell.ca

tried what two computers on the same router dont mean half speed. maybe if your both torrenting or streaming but two ocmputers doesnt mean half speed i have 4 computers onhline and its reasonable with everyone online on a bell 25 connecction



JCohen
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said by noemails :

tried what two computers on the same router dont mean half speed. maybe if your both torrenting or streaming but two ocmputers doesnt mean half speed i have 4 computers onhline and its reasonable with everyone online on a bell 25 connecction

This has nothing do with multiple computers plugged into a single router.

decx
Premium
join:2002-06-07
Vancouver, BC
reply to DKS

said by DKS:

said by Rtfaup :

It's against the acceptable use policy, thought i don't think they monitor this if its from the same DSL line.

It will also split your speed in half.

Well it doesn't split your speed in half. All it does it that both PPPoE connection shares the bandwidth allocated for the line. Each just uses what is available.

urbang33k

join:2010-02-13
Canada
kudos:1

2 edits
reply to NewBellUser

said by NewBellUser :

Could I connect a Wireless N router to my Sagemcom modem and having both dial into the Bell PPPOEEEEEE system in the same time?

Idea is for Sagemcom to connect to all my light usage wireless g and b. While i'll have a dedicated wireless router for my laptops with N.

I'd like to point something else out here that hasn't been mentioned yet.

If you have wireless devices connected to the sagemcom, and also a third party router connected to the sagemcom that is doing a seperate pppoe session with wireless device connected to it, wireless devices connected to the sagemcom wont be able to intereact or 'see' devices connected to the wireless N router.

So if you have a common shared wireless printer or other network appliance that must be shared in the house, and a computer requiring access to said appliance, that/those computer(s) must be connected to the same network that appliance is connecting to.

Also services like windows file sharing, or apple filesharing services wont be available between computers on opposite networks.

Re: the dual pppoe logins....

I'm not certain this is too much of an issue on the same slam. I am 100% positive that Bell CAN tell if the same login is being used on 2 different slams and they can even tell which type of modem is being used there. What I'm not sure of is if they are truely restricting this 'up stream'? As I understand it, the new (old) policy is starting to be enforced as they have found it may be causing issues if the customer has FibeTV. Basically that means it will likely be a blanket enforcement across all internet accounts, not just FibeTV customers.

I only make that last paragraphed statement based on the limited official information I've been given combined with observations I've made during some of my work activities.

If anyone has anything more official or accurate and wish to correct me, please by all means do so.

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yleclerc

join:2009-03-15
Montreal, QC
reply to NewBellUser

I was told that if you have your own router and it has the PPPoE settings, the Bell modems would let your router control the Internet "IP" directly. Your modem would not issue the PPPoE request for Internet access.

I know that if Y


Dunlop

join:2011-07-13
kudos:2
Reviews:
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·ELECTRONICBOX
reply to NewBellUser

I jsut had FibeTV/Internet installed this weeked. Currently I only connected my PC to the Sagecom router and disabled wifi. All my other devices are still on my dd-wrt router and connected to ElectronicBox.

I was planning connecting all my devices to the dd-wrt router (using that Wifi) which would be connected to the Sagecom via DHCP

Is there any reason i shouldn't do this?


fiveplustwo

join:2012-04-10
Thornhill, ON
reply to NewBellUser

Yes, it is possible. I simply enter the PPPOE user id and password into my router. My router would connect and obtain a separate IP address from Bell. I can see two separate IP addresses from the Bell modem and my router.



Rigor_M

join:2010-09-26
Quebec, QC
reply to NewBellUser

I have a personal router connected to one of the port on the sagemcom. (using my b1xxxx code and a pppoe style connexion on the personal router)

It was working fine until last night. now, it stopped working. If i remove the sagemcom b1 user, my personnal router can connect.

If I put it back, my router gets deconnected and the sagemcom reconnect.

I called tech support... the guy is clueless and more, he told me that there was no new firmware updates (that not what ppl in the forum are saying)

Bottom line, the multiple PPPoE was working until lately..


zorxd

join:2010-02-05
Quebec, QC

Unlike what they say, there has been an update that killed that feature. I know, that sucks.



Rigor_M

join:2010-09-26
Quebec, QC

So, what that means is.. we are STUCK with there equipement.

I had a VPN server on private router. now I can't even set it up on my local lan because Bell's router dosent support static routing.

that router sucks big time


zorxd

join:2010-02-05
Quebec, QC

technically there is a way to bypass the sagemcom completely. If you don't have TV, it's pretty easy to do (only need VLANs).



Rigor_M

join:2010-09-26
Quebec, QC

And if I have TV ? (because i do )

Cant I just put a layer-3 switch with VLANS vor the TV and tag another port to the internet's vlan and connect my router to that port ?

The theory is there.. if it would work? thats another matter



Frank_IT
Premium
join:2003-11-01
Montreal

Wont work already tried
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Rigor_M

join:2010-09-26
Quebec, QC

On what side did it not work ? TV or internet ?

did you get one of the two to work ?