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rocca
Start.ca
Premium
join:2008-11-16
London, ON
kudos:23
reply to Who7

Re: IP logging retention

said by Who7:

Welcome to the bright light of the internet

Thanks. I've been around a while though. I doubt you'll find any CEO more transparent than I am, answering every question in every forum as I did again here. I understand you don't like the answer but I certainly haven't "bafflegagged", "sidestepped" nor "evaded" the question as you have stated several times now.

Here's the point form version:

- our current log retention is 1 year
- we have committed to shortening that period
- we like all ISP's will have an obligation for notice and notice for copyright claims
- the implementation details of that law is currently being worked on
- it would be premature to speculate on what the minimum retention period will be
- the idea of no logs would not enable compliance with the law
- log retention is required for other valid things
- we have not once provided subscriber information to copyright holders
- we are reviewing the current situation and as soon as possible will make our changes public

...not sure what more I can say.

Trying to pin me to "show me the exact text for retention" is trolling. Obviously it isn't defined yet, however it would be impossible to comply with the intent of the law with zero day logging so I'm providing a realistic perspective. If you want me to provide false promises in an attempt to placate you, sorry, that's not my bag.

said by Who7:

a Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Thank you, hope you had a nice day.

Who7

join:2012-12-18

said by rocca:

said by Who7:

Welcome to the bright light of the internet

Thanks. I've been around a while though. I doubt you'll find any CEO more transparent than I am, answering every question in every forum as I did again here. I understand you don't like the answer but I certainly haven't "bafflegagged", "sidestepped" nor "evaded" the question as you have stated several times now.

Here's the point form version:

- our current log retention is 1 year
- we have committed to shortening that period
- we like all ISP's will have an obligation for notice and notice for copyright claims
- the implementation details of that law is currently being worked on
- it would be premature to speculate on what the minimum retention period will be
- the idea of no logs would not enable compliance with the law
- log retention is required for other valid things
- we have not once provided subscriber information to copyright holders
- we are reviewing the current situation and as soon as possible will make our changes public

...not sure what more I can say.

Trying to pin me to "show me the exact text for retention" is trolling. Obviously it isn't defined yet, however it would be impossible to comply with the intent of the law with zero day logging so I'm providing a realistic perspective. If you want me to provide false promises in an attempt to placate you, sorry, that's not my bag.

said by Who7:

a Merry Christmas to you and yours.

Thank you, hope you had a nice day.

Again with the trolling thingy? All I wanted was blunt and straight forward...and kudos, you did that.

So let's start over.

Rocca, think about this, I and probably tens of thousands more don't have any reason to move unless you can give us more shielding from what may very well become a budding profitable business model of third hand, third rate rights holders and unemployed lawyers.

So.....when will you be able to announce the "week" or hopefully way less?

I'm bookmarking this page and forum and hoping to see your announcement in bold letters!

Regards

Troll....err....FUTURE CUSTOMER! LOL!

von Monster

join:2012-03-22
Reviews:
·Anveo

I'm still trying to figure out what exact you're demanding of Start here that Rocca hasn't answered - the specifics of what logs exactly an ISP is required to to keep aren't clear and until they are Start isn't changing it's policy.

Or in other words at least with Start you have a policy, which isn't necessarily true for every ISP.



rocca
Start.ca
Premium
join:2008-11-16
London, ON
kudos:23
reply to Who7

said by Who7:

Again with the trolling thingy? All I wanted was blunt and straight forward...and kudos, you did that.

Sweet. I always get my trolls and hobbits mixed up, maybe my mistake.

said by Who7:

So let's start over.

Sounds fair, but really I am not evil.

Not that I'm looking for a gold star, but I think the work that I've done both individually and through my work with CNOC has been positive for competition in the industry and as a result good for consumers. We've built our business over the past 15+ years by focusing on customers so when the question was posed about our retention period I thought "good point, let's see if we can work on something less" and started a process to review that. In short, I hope that I've built up some credibility, particularly on DSLR where I've always been forthcoming and transparent.

said by Who7:

So.....when will you be able to announce the "week" or hopefully way less?

It's being reviewed, it would be premature to provide any guess as to what the final period will be or when it will be implemented but definitely working on it and hope to have something to share in the very near future.


hm

@videotron.ca

said by rocca:

Sweet. I always get my trolls and hobbits mixed up, maybe my mistake.

I know you may not want to know this, BUT...

I read that as I was sipping on some red wine.

Not only did I snort, choke, and have wine come out my nose, but I'm pretty sure my brand new shirt I got for Xmas is now stained (not to mention the carpet).

I always wanted to know if the old wives tale of rapidly rubbing salt on a wine stain before rapidly tossing it in the washer is true.

I am about to find out.

TY Rocca.

Will post results in about 1-hour.

Who7

join:2012-12-18
reply to rocca

said by rocca:

It's being reviewed, it would be premature to provide any guess as to what the final period will be or when it will be implemented but definitely working on it and hope to have something to share in the very near future.

The entire thing may be an exercise in angst if the judge makes it go away. Which of course mean that there will be other attempt's from different angles.....and different targets....and different judges.

But for now, I have to keep an extra eye on early teen nieces/nephews and their friends...or become the evil Uncle Troll who wont let them use his 25mbps wifi. Have you ever asked a 12 year not to do something? It's like a red cape to do it instead.

Anywho.....

Phorkster
Premium
join:2004-06-27
Windsor, ON
kudos:1

said by Who7:

said by rocca:

It's being reviewed, it would be premature to provide any guess as to what the final period will be or when it will be implemented but definitely working on it and hope to have something to share in the very near future.

The entire thing may be an exercise in angst if the judge makes it go away. Which of course mean that there will be other attempt's from different angles.....and different targets....and different judges.

But for now, I have to keep an extra eye on early teen nieces/nephews and their friends...or become the evil Uncle Troll who wont let them use his 25mbps wifi. Have you ever asked a 12 year not to do something? It's like a red cape to do it instead.

Anywho.....

Ask them, or remove access.