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Tx
bronx cheers from cheap seats
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join:2008-11-19
Mississauga, ON
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reply to andyb

Re: Ppl need a reality check about leaving due to their stance

said by andyb:

said by Tx:

said by kcorscadden:

Ok, then ppl should be asking whether or not Voltage has the right to ask for this info and not blaming TSI for their stance.

Go read a few hundred articles off of www.torrentfreak.com and see what Voltage is all about. They abuse the court systems with the pay up or else schemes. TSI's stance is setting a precedence in Canada. That's one of the reason people are upset.

The abuse it with a legal loophole allowing them to create court orders without ever intending to go to trial using pay up or else schemes

I have no idea about a loophole but we do not know what action voltage is going to take.History in 1 idiotic country does not mean its duplicated here(though it can be wont argue there).

As for TSI stance well the ISP's are supposed to be neutral as in dumb pipes.You either want them to be monitors or you dont.False positives can be worked out with the ISP to prove before hand.No need for a lawyer or going bankrupt in most cases.

Either way always get a GOOD lawyers opinion,not one who will take the case just to make money

Problem is, if i were ever to get accused. I already live a busy enough life, between my hobbies, work, my kids, my wife and my house chores. I rarely get 5 seconds to go out and look for a lawyer for their advice, spending money to get said advice.

The burden really shouldn't be on me to now go shopping for a lawyer and find out my next move should i ever get accused.

Though i don't pirate (i used to when i was young but i tend to enjoy living guilt free now) i don't want the burden of all of this to now mean taking time off work to protect my family and our money.

How is this fair to consumers? We depend on our ISP's our anything, doesn't matter who, to challenge something if accused. Just because someone says "yup they did it, we have an IP" we're guilty and now it's up to us to prove otherwise? No way man.

I was once accused long long time ago, wasn't any fishing expedition like Voltage but i called their lawyers office right away and i had to fill out a lot of paperwork proving i was innocent. I was lucky back then, that the lawyers believed me and i was off the hook.

I'm passionate about this because i was one of those wrongly accused. It takes you to be accused to see the otherside it seems. Otherwise you get people like the OP telling people to give their head a shake.

With technology these days, people are becoming more and more naive with just how exposed it leaves people. Look it up, you'll read several refuse to this day about using wifi. They hate it as it poses security risks.


apvm

join:2003-02-14
London, ON
kudos:1
said by Tx:

How is this fair to consumers? We depend on our ISP's our anything, doesn't matter who, to challenge something if accused. Just because someone says "yup they did it, we have an IP" we're guilty and now it's up to us to prove otherwise? No way man.

Tx is right on the money here. I am not going to support an ISP that don't respect us.

Looking at other ISP's pricing now, the pricing of EB fits my budget, still searching.


andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
kudos:1
reply to Tx
said by Tx:

I was once accused long long time ago, wasn't any fishing expedition like Voltage but i called their lawyers office right away and i had to fill out a lot of paperwork proving i was innocent. I was lucky back then, that the lawyers believed me and i was off the hook.

Back then you would of got an email that you should of deleted rather than respond to it.That was a fishing expedition.

The burden has been put on you by the current government,not the ISP.The ISP doesnt change laws.

Fact of the matter is the ISP can do nothing unless it a false,then the ISP can state so and does have the obligation to state that you were not using the IP or that their servers screwed up so no ID is possible,etc

The isp should always be a dumb pipe.Anything else we become the US