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Tx
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reply to Leathal

Re: If TekSavvi doesn't fight on Jan 14th, I'm leaving them.

said by Leathal:

I hate to this, and I don't mean to be rude. But do realize if you commit a crime and get away with it that it will catch up with you eventually. If you have done nothing wrong don't worry about it.

I haven't done anything wrong, I don't download pirate music or movies from the internet, if I want to see a movie I go to the movies and see it, otherwise I either have to buy the bluray or I am SOL. Same thing goes for music.

So why people insist on ripping off the industry beats me. I bet you don't realize that a typical music group is lucky to make $1 for every CD they sell because of the over costs that goes into making it. A friend of mine gave me an actual brake down of what one of the large music producers charges the artists.

Now that the fun is over you want to stomp your feet on the ground like 2 year old's and threaten to cancel your service? Well if the Canadian Copyright Law changes then no matter who use you for your internet, be that the mom and pop internet service provider, Rogers, Bell, Telus, or even have a 10Meg piece of fiber installed by Cogent in the end the ISP's must abide by the law and let them know of your illegal habits.

So you see you are really just acting silly!

Have you read nothing over the last few days? Honestly? C'mon buddy, it's not that simple. This ludicrous notion of "Don't do anything illegal and you're fine" is as ridiculous a saying as these voltage trolls.

Let me put it simple ok? This my friend is a true story. I shortened this earlier to keep a long story short but here is a medium story as i don't care to write up a full page about this

I'm innocent, yet i was contacted by a firms lawyers about 16-20 years ago about a piece of software i "pirated". This was before wifi. I received papers via a police officer about a court hearing on so and so date. I contacted the law firm going after me, i was pretty freaked out. After days and hours on the phone and my signing a piece of paper that states "my computer is clean of warez and i did not and do not have a copy of this software" The lawyers and I came to an understanding after further investigating that i was mistakenly contacted. The IP i was on was for example 142.1.234.123 the There was 1 number in the IP the ISP made a mistake on and instead of John, they contacted me.

After some very understanding lawyers and at the time laughter on the phone because of the error we parted ways and i was done with it.

What i find so funny is how you can say people are acting silly, but is that because you're one of those that believe you won't get pulled over because you obey the law? Well my friend, my father when i was younger was pulled over going to pick up a pack of smokes and a cop thought he was a wanted person, arrested him and he was in lockup for about 36 hours before they realized it was the wrong guy.

Mistakes happen, just because you are being silly in to thinking you're safe because you obey the laws of Canada is very naive. My fathers situation, honest mistake and fixed without any money involved because they could ID the guy. You behind an IP if accused, good luck.

Oh wait, why should the burden be on you to defend yourself if you're an honest citizen? That's not fair is it?

This is the first case in Canada of a mass lawsuit coming to town and TSI made a mistake already with 42 people. First time bud. What they're going to be extra careful next time? or extra extra careful? Uh oh, let's hope you didn't have one of those IPs 2 hours after the last guy did who pirated 4 of those movies. 2 hours is the difference between innocence and guilt and you have to depend on an ISP to make sure it's read correctly.

Hope the admin isn't tired, overworked as Teksavvy always says they're constantly hiring because they're swamped.

I do security audits for a living Leathal. You realize I'm not just talking out of my ass? It's not a matter of each person has a 99% chance of being mistakenly ID'd. It's the 1% chance you are.

Sorry buddy but i don't want those odds on a rape, child porn or murder charge, why on earth would i want those odds on a piracy charge? Until there is a FOOLPROOF method of identifying a user behind an IP and not mistaking 1.1.1.1 for the user behind 1.1.2.1 i do not trust it. Considering i was one of those people, i was lucky. Will you be if accused?

Let's not be so quick to judge people for downloading either, i could be as judgemental about you going 5km over the speed limit. Never done anything illegal in your life? An illegal u-turn? Bought any recorded VHS back in the day? There is i guarantee something you've done in your lifetime such as recording a song on to tape, (a mix tape) or making a copy of a tape for a friend in the early 90's late 80s....


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Great writeup.

I think out of the pages and pages (and pages) that I've read, this is probably one of the best summaries of this whole mess.

Cheers mate,
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Back in the 1980 and 1980s the Canadian Copyright Law allowed you to make a copy for your own person use. I bet you didn't know this did you? The law become more relaxed with CD burners started to flood the market place because the board of the Canadian Copyright decided to charge a small fee on record able digital media to try and recover some of the cost (if not all of it) from people pirating stuff.

Now that we have evolved to where we are now piracy has increased 100 fold the hidden fees aren't covering 1% of the figured amount of music, movies and software that is being pirated. So the have to take extra steps now...do I blame them? NO. You shouldn't either.

So your complaint really doesn't hold any water, the internet is a place that has grown over the years that its become more easier to track people through the IP's and such which why every person that has been suspected to be a pedophile is one. They track them the same way they now are tracking you downloading those pirated warez, movies, and songs to your computer every night.


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said by Leathal:

Back in the 1980 and 1980s the Canadian Copyright Law allowed you to make a copy for your own person use. I bet you didn't know this did you? The law become more relaxed with CD burners started to flood the market place because the board of the Canadian Copyright decided to charge a small fee on record able digital media to try and recover some of the cost (if not all of it) from people pirating stuff.

Now that we have evolved to where we are now piracy has increased 100 fold that the hidden fees aren't covering 1% of the figured amount of music, movies and software that is being pirated. So the have to take extra steps now...do I blame them? NO. You shouldn't either.

So your complaint really doesn't hold any water, the internet is a place that has grown over the years that its become more easier to track people through the IP's and such which why every person that has been suspected to be a pedophile is one. They track them the same way they now are tracking you downloading those pirated warez, movies, and songs to your computer every night. )

Actually, yes i do know that. Thus Made a copy for a friend or Bought a copied VHS from a garage sale for example. This isn't personal use. My sirius sat radio in the car records stuff for me (that's personal use) no problem.

If you want to cover your eyes and pretend if you obey they law and never ever, ever, ever pirate and you're a good boy then hey all the power to you. Don't come crying to anyone if you are ever accused.

You have wifi setup in your house? If so what level of encryption? WEP, WPA or WPA2? All 3 are easily crackable. Each are just a different amount of time to crack. You have neighbours close by? Lower your antenna power to ensure they cannot use that connection or attempt to access it. You on a strictly wired connection at home? Perfect. Your odds are million times better, but let's now hope you're not of the next 42 who were mistakenly notified by TSI and this time TSI didn't catch the mistake.

By the way, you're wildly off. IPs do not track people, they track accounts, they track an account holder. NOT people. Even these days they can't even track a cell phones IP because phones like my S3 have a built in router so i can allow several people to use my phones internet.

Funny part of that was? I enabled tethering on my phone and encryption was automatically disabled. I had to go in to another screen to setup encryption. Will most other "non" techies know better?

You have your head so far in the sand it's not even funny, i'm really not trying to be rude with you. I'm simply someone who HAS gone through this.

I can't say it any clearer. Until locating an individual is foolproof, you're not safe under these new laws. Maybe saying it a second time will sink in or will it not hold any water either?

42 people mistakenly notified... fourty-two (account holders) not individuals. You may like playing the odds, but i sure don't.


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reply to Leathal
said by Leathal:

Back in the 1980 and 1980s the Canadian Copyright Law allowed you to make a copy for your own person use. I bet you didn't know this did you? The law become more relaxed with CD burners started to flood the market place because the board of the Canadian Copyright decided to charge a small fee on record able digital media to try and recover some of the cost (if not all of it) from people pirating stuff.

Now that we have evolved to where we are now piracy has increased 100 fold the hidden fees aren't covering 1% of the figured amount of music, movies and software that is being pirated. So the have to take extra steps now...do I blame them? NO. You shouldn't either.

So your complaint really doesn't hold any water, the internet is a place that has grown over the years that its become more easier to track people through the IP's and such which why every person that has been suspected to be a pedophile is one. They track them the same way they now are tracking you downloading those pirated warez, movies, and songs to your computer every night.

I also wanted to mention something about your comment about artists only making $1 on a sold cd. Boy are you off.

I've also previously mentioned a band that started in school (my wife's) school had an offer from BMG while they were in school, they rejected the offer, few members kicked out, they moved on and got another offer from BMG 2 years later.

To this day, my wife, her best friend is married to the drummer, the lead singer was my wife's prom date and they still speak to this day. This band is still knocking out albums after a 6 year hiatus. Let's just say we got to talking last thanksgiving and it's not about the CD sales. They don't live lavish lifestyles making $1 per CD divided by 5 band members. Their net income far exceeds what you'd even consider reasonable.

As a matter of fact, they became more known due to piracy AFTER BMG signed them. They were only really popular in Canada until then. Then the US started listening and it continued world wide.

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reply to Leathal
said by Leathal:

Back in the 1980 and 1980s the Canadian Copyright Law allowed you to make a copy for your own person use. I bet you didn't know this did you? The law become more relaxed with CD burners started to flood the market place because the board of the Canadian Copyright decided to charge a small fee on record able digital media to try and recover some of the cost (if not all of it) from people pirating stuff.

Now that we have evolved to where we are now piracy has increased 100 fold the hidden fees aren't covering 1% of the figured amount of music, movies and software that is being pirated. So the have to take extra steps now...do I blame them? NO. You shouldn't either.

So your complaint really doesn't hold any water, the internet is a place that has grown over the years that its become more easier to track people through the IP's and such which why every person that has been suspected to be a pedophile is one. They track them the same way they now are tracking you downloading those pirated warez, movies, and songs to your computer every night.

The law says $100 to $5000 for all infringements. So why are you standing on your soapbox and cheering on a company who is manipulating the court by filing for $20,000 and asking for disclosure of all the defendant's financial information? The next time you do a rolling stop at a 4 way intersection will you pay $20,000 to the court? Your actions put the public interest at risk a lot more than someone watching a B movie. Copyright is not the same as property rights. It exists to protect the public interest, by providing incentive for the creation of new works. In that it must be balanced, and should not allow revenues from litigation to dwarf the revenues from the merits of the works. The inherent value of a work is dictated by the marketplace. If people stayed away in droves when you put out your work, maybe it's not worth much to begin with. Unless you can seed a torrent 2years later and sue a 12 year old kid for his college fund. I said it before but maybe it needs to be said again: people should not get things for free, but neither should companies. Respect for the law goes both ways. Voltage is making a mockery of our new laws, and only a fool would applaud that.


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said by FatBastid:

Copyright is not the same as property rights. It exists to protect the public interest, by providing incentive for the creation of new works. In that it must be balanced, and should not allow revenues from litigation to dwarf the revenues from the merits of the works. The inherent value of a work is dictated by the marketplace. If people stayed away in droves when you put out your work, maybe it's not worth much to begin with.

Well said. This is what Copyright law was created for, not as a source of revenue. Those who argue otherwise need a fresh cup of coffee.

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reply to Leathal
said by Leathal:

Back in the 1980 and 1980s the Canadian Copyright Law allowed you to make a copy for your own person use. I bet you didn't know this did you? The law become more relaxed with CD burners started to flood the market place because the board of the Canadian Copyright decided to charge a small fee on record able digital media to try and recover some of the cost (if not all of it) from people pirating stuff.

Now that we have evolved to where we are now piracy has increased 100 fold the hidden fees aren't covering 1% of the figured amount of music, movies and software that is being pirated. So the have to take extra steps now...do I blame them? NO. You shouldn't either.

So your complaint really doesn't hold any water, the internet is a place that has grown over the years that its become more easier to track people through the IP's and such which why every person that has been suspected to be a pedophile is one. They track them the same way they now are tracking you downloading those pirated warez, movies, and songs to your computer every night.

and they still are collecting that and even expanded what they collect on....bring some blank cdrs covered by the media levy

MEDIA LEVY look up word media and what it entails and last i read its not just music as mister geist liked to claim.