 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
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HarperLand | Ontaro Labour Law question A good friend who has been working for an AV chain (not FS/BB),
He was given documents to sign saying he "volunteered" to work more the 44hrs a week, Stat holidays, and Sundays.
Is that actually legal? |
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 donoreoPremium
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North York, ON | If he signs it, probably. Unless that means volunteered without pay! |
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Yes it is legal, but he has to be paid overtime from 48-60 hours, and 60 hours would be his limit on working hours per week. |
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»www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/···ours.php |
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elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
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HarperLand | reply to eweazel
They are 11hrs shifts (of which they pay 10) at least 5 days a week. |
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| That would be 50 hours, its within the legal limits. He has to be paid 2 hours overtime per week, otherwise its all good. Way to many hours, but within the law none the less. |
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donoreoPremium
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North York, ON | reply to elwoodblues
said by elwoodblues:They are 11hrs shifts (of which they pay 10) at least 5 days a week.
This person needs a new job. |
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| said by donoreo:said by elwoodblues:They are 11hrs shifts (of which they pay 10) at least 5 days a week.
This person needs a new job. It sounds like it. Before I took the job I have now (Payroll Manager) I had a guy try to get me to not only work almost every day, but he wanted me to do at least 65 hours per week and be hush hush about it. Since I am and always have been in the payroll field I told him where he could stuff that, and quietly filed a complaint with the labour board. |
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elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
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said by donoreo:said by elwoodblues:They are 11hrs shifts (of which they pay 10) at least 5 days a week.
This person needs a new job. No kidding... everything I've heard this place takes every little advantage of their employees. Want a bigger laugh? They have such a huge turnover of staff, they don't pay benefits till after 1yr.
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No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... |
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said by elwoodblues:He was given documents to sign saying he "volunteered" to work more the 44hrs a week, Stat holidays, and Sundays.
Is that actually legal? Nope. Documents like that which sign away rights under the ESA are not binding. |
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| said by Gone:said by elwoodblues:He was given documents to sign saying he "volunteered" to work more the 44hrs a week, Stat holidays, and Sundays.
Is that actually legal? Nope. Documents like that which sign away rights under the ESA are not binding. No he is not signing away his rights, they are legal. He can sign to work upto 60 hours per week. We have those agreements here for our busiest season. |
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Double post, sorry. |
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This company sounds terrible. He needs a new job. |
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elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
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HarperLand | So I'm going through the ESA, and while they don't technically break the law , they are certainly abusing it. |
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 dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium
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London, ON | it doesn't look like they are abusing the laws, but are certainly putting the gears to their employees...of course, as a free market, it is why they can't retain staff, and will continue to do so provided they don't make improvements. |
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elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
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| said by dirtyjeffer:it doesn't look like they are abusing the laws, but are certainly putting the gears to their employees...of course, as a free market, it is why they can't retain staff, and will continue to do so provided they don't make improvements.
If you think about it, you have a store staffed with people making 10 bucks an hour, who cares about the turnover, you got warm bodies selling you wares with stars in their eyes of big commission cheques.
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No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... |
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dirtyjefferAnons on ignore, but not due to fear.Premium
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London, ON | said by elwoodblues:said by dirtyjeffer:it doesn't look like they are abusing the laws, but are certainly putting the gears to their employees...of course, as a free market, it is why they can't retain staff, and will continue to do so provided they don't make improvements.
If you think about it, you have a store staffed with people making 10 bucks an hour, who cares about the turnover, you got warm bodies selling you wares with stars in their eyes of big commission cheques. well, it really depends on the business and the demographics of your customer base.
knowledgeable, experienced sales staff can help consumers purchase products more suited for their use (which can reduce returns and dissatisfied customers) as well promote the advantages/benefits of higher tiered products (which are also usually more profitable)...back in the days, it was one of the things i was proud of about myself...i was more knowledgeable about the products and industry than likely 99% of the people in the city, but that doesn't matter to customers who want to buy the $299 TV or $18 walkman (think of a top surgeon, working in a walk-in clinic dealing with runny noses, constipation and scraped knees)...in the end, too many consumers (in the AV industry) only care about the price, so that is what most mainstream brands have worked on over the years, how to make things cheaper...it's the "Wal-Mart" mentality, and it is ruining many things.
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elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
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| I'm just as guilty about shopping on price, but then I'm an informed consumer, I've done my homework I know what i want, and I just want the lowest price.
Back in the day there was no internet, so "price shopping" from the comfort of your chair didn't exist.
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No, I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I... I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake....... |
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said by eweazel:No he is not signing away his rights, they are legal. He can sign to work upto 60 hours per week. We have those agreements here for our busiest season. They cannot force you to work a statutory holiday, even if you sign a document saying you agree.
In other words, they can say whatever they want, but it's not binding. |
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| said by Gone:said by eweazel:No he is not signing away his rights, they are legal. He can sign to work upto 60 hours per week. We have those agreements here for our busiest season. They cannot force you to work a statutory holiday, even if you sign a document saying you agree. In other words, they can say whatever they want, but it's not binding. Yes it is, this is the basis of my job, here is a quote on
»www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/···days.php
When an Employee Who Qualifies for the Day Off Has Agreed in Writing to Work on a Public Holiday
Most employees have the right to get the public holiday off and get paid public holiday pay. However, if an employee agrees in writing to work on the public holiday, there are two options
•the employee is entitled to receive regular wages for all hours worked on the public holiday, plus a substitute day off work with public holiday pay;
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•if the employee agrees in writing, he or she is entitled to public holiday pay for the public holiday plus premium pay for all hours worked on the public holiday. In this case, the employee will not be given a substitute day off.
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