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OZO
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Re: An iPhone Lover's Confession: I Switched To The Nexus 4

I have been using Android phone for past several years and can say - it certainly is far away from a "solid".

Apps may behave unexpectedly. Sometimes they work, sometimes they suddenly don't and the only way to get some predictability back is to reboot the phone... A third party tool that kills app may not help (and why I should use a tool that closes an app). GPS may be in "Looking for location" for up to 10 min, while it shows 10 - 12 satellites connected. Battery may not show it's charged 100%, while it is connected to charger and you see that its voltage is already start dropping and, at the same time, it's percentage of "availability" is slowly growing ~10% per 8 hours (so to get it to "fully charged " state from let say 60% you have to charge it ... 24 hours). Next time it may start from different percentage (assigned to the same voltage). There is a lot of memory available, but suddenly you can't install a small new app. You have to find a third party tool, that clears OS's cache and only then you may do it again (and why I should remember to clear the cache manually? it's the OS's job, for god sake). A softphone, installed on your phone, may miss incoming calls, because OS did not wake up the phone app at the time, when it gets INVITE message from the network. You come close to WiFi spot and to make sure it gets connection to the Internet you have to wake up the phone. Why it may (the key word here is "may") not get connection automatically and waits, let say, 20 min? Etc, etc, etc... And that's my experience with almost the latest Android v4.1.2.. .I'd not rely on Android as an OS for reliable tool. Only as OS for a toy... It's actually sad.

Some guys are switching from iPhone to Android, some switch back... It happens all the time.So, what's the news here?
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Cheese
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Sounds like your phone has an issue...

OZO
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That's exactly what I'm trying to convey. It's far from "solid"...
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said by OZO:

I have been using Android phone for past several years and can say - it certainly is far away from a "solid".

Some guys are switching from iPhone to Android, some switch back... It happens all the time.So, what's the news here?

Well that is the Apple fans ONLY claim the rock rock solid thing... well no wonder since iOS so crippled and restricted.

Hey and all you really want is a phone with diversions well fine I guess. But you want a little real mini computer too...not Apple, Android is it.

Part of the price of diversity is incompatibilities. And there are just plain rushed badly conceived Android devices out there... but that is NOT the platforms FAULT... the manufacture who cut corners.

So yes you can't just go buy ANY Android device you need to do a little homework first.... you just want to be easy lazy blind... then yeah buy an iDevice you can do very little with but line Apple's pocket's, and yeah for the little it can do is solid.

That said I have had plenty of opperation issues with my iPod Touch's (3&4 both used/refurb). So the claims are over blown they maybe more consistent, but just like Mac's NOT the supposed bullet Apple sheep make them out to be.

An in my experience migrating from Android to Androin device and have it be just what it was is MUCH easier...
Having done it 3 times with Apple it was after hous of work sort of the same....and still thing in ITunes that don't like the new devices...again mostly due to their ridiculous restiction

No such problem with Android.... went from 1 gen Transformer to second in under an hour.... first just move the two SD cards (again not even an option of ext expansion on iDevices) and then having backed up Apps AND their data... just reinstall to new device, no iTunes middle man to mess with.
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Cheese
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How is your phone, having these issues, making Android far from "solid"?


Hayward
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said by Cheese:

How is your phone, having these issues, making Android far from "solid"?

No he does have a point there have been many badly implemented Android phones and guess he got one... yes in Android you do need to do some homework... and not just blind buy you can with Apple if you accept the limitations that go along with that.
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OZO
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I can understand that lot of unpredictability problems may come form app developers (often amateurs or hobbyists), and it creates such environment, that you can't rely on them... I could understand that. But my examples above contains OS design features (cleaning cache, full memory cleanup from exited apps, reliable wake up apps on networking events, getting network connection fast to WiFi spot, speed up calculating GPS locations for other apps, battery management, etc - it's all features, provided by OS), that makes the Android far from "solid" as a platform. It will require a lot of work (and time) to make it "solid", I guess...
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Cheese
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Sorry but the OS design feature, such as the GPS and WI-FI, sounds like your phone, not the OS.

OZO
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Connection to WiFi is basic networking feature, provided by OS for all apps. The same is GSP. It's, if you will, a HAL, used by all apps. Battery management is in that category too, as well as memory management (and cache in particular)...
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Hayward
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said by OZO:

Connection to WiFi is basic networking feature, provided by OS for all apps. The same is GSP. It's, if you will, a HAL, used by all apps. Battery management is in that category too, as well as memory management (and cache in particular)...

OK the ponder me this....

I have been after a local WiFi provider to replace its router because it has had multiple connection issues over the last year or so in a variety of ways most recently just randomly dropping connection.

My ASUS Transformer is very aggressive about reconnection though I have seen it flash on and off... My iPod just gives up and dropped much faster and frequently.

Again CACHE is another thing, never really an issue on the Transformer since it has a pretty huge 32 GB internal to deal with and latter Android OS not a fixed area for Apps (a big limitation of 2.x devices) but not an issue since ICS (4.x and 3.x only existed briefly for the tab market) it will dynamically use available storage any way it can. Some basic phones are still very limited though.... again bad phone design not OS issue.

YOU NEED TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK vs just don't want to think about it or possibilities iOS... no matter how fancy a device it the same limited crap... OK works well but how about capability?

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OZO
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It's not a faulty WiFi router. I'm watching the problem with establishing connections (see above) all the time when I come to work, to home, to other hot spots... It "may" connect as soon as I came. Or I have to wake up phone just to to see it's starting making connection. If I don't do that I may check in router that phone is not connected for a while... Why??? That experience is based on many observations...

I'm glad that your Transformer has huge (32 GiB) internal memory and you don't see cache freeing (you don't have to do it manually).problems, that I've described. I have device with considerably smaller memory and see that problem quite often. And BTW, I did my homework and found out the solution - clean up cache manually... and not to wait until OS will finally do its job as it should.

And I did my homework with configuring GPS, using gps.conf file. I made many different configuration changes (back and force) and conducted many tests here and there and I may assure you that there is nothing I can do more at this time, but watch and just wait... It has downloaded A-GPS data and withmore then 10 well positioned satellites connected to it device may stay in "Looking for GPS position" for a long, long while...

BTW, why "YOU NEED TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK" is considered a good thing, when someone uses Android OS?
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said by OZO:

BTW, why "YOU NEED TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK" is considered a good thing, when someone uses Android OS?

Well like I said I am having the OPPOSITE problem with my iPod Touch.

As I said that it the cost of diversity... its not free of issues, again mostly manufacturers cutting corners not the Android OS.
Nor is sociology for that matter... didn't move to Key West for an EASY thing....took learning and being here, but that the social BS of this country, and again the Republicans din't get why they so lost...alienating everyone but rich white guys and PARTICULARLY WOMEN. (Sorry guys more women voters, and now another thing this time around more women in Congress than ever not just the good ol' boys)

You can have a rock solid VERY LIMITED OS like iOS or you can have a RICH OS like Android you might have to pay some attention to, and study the hardware you are considering.

Again you want to be mindless, and VERY restricted use the Apple is the way to go.

And then Apple had their little hell... of rushed OS6 to hissy fit ditch Google Maps just fone the first 5... and what did they release CrApple maps that would tell you anything but where you are or what is around you... and why I have not updated to current Toch to OS6 unless you have something that can even come close to Google maps.

Like I said today vs when I got the Touch, and really just before Android took off I would never own one.

Again BOTTOM LINE is CrApple or Freedom and a little effort to have it? As our founders said actually freedom is a right but requires diligence to preserve!!!

And for those that might say how much I edit... well there are these things called after thoughts (before reply) and the spell check missed spelling errors not caught by the one here pretty good but contextually hardly stellar one.
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said by OZO:

And I did my homework with configuring GPS, using gps.conf file. I made many different configuration changes (back and force) and conducted many tests here and there and I may assure you that there is nothing I can do more at this time

Well again maybe a device failure??? Most of the time I keep it disabled after 18 yearss on a 1.5x4mi island I petty much know where I am and even with GPS (to the point) turned off just by WiFi hot spot how accurate it is about where eaxtly I am is sort of scary...thank you HMS.
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Cheese
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reply to OZO
said by OZO:

Connection to WiFi is basic networking feature, provided by OS for all apps. The same is GSP. It's, if you will, a HAL, used by all apps. Battery management is in that category too, as well as memory management (and cache in particular)...

And yet again, went over your head. If your GPS is taking 5-10 min to lock on, there is a PROBLEM with YOUR phone. That's NOT the OS.

This is very simple to understand. I don't HAVE these problems you say are part of the OS.


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said by OZO:

BTW, why "YOU NEED TO DO YOUR HOMEWORK" is considered a good thing, when someone uses Android OS?

It has nothing to do with the android OS, it has everything to do with having choices.

IOS based phones come in one flavor/configuration - iphone, built by one manufacturer.

Android based phones are built by a number of manufacturers at varying price points and physical configurations.

You don't need to "do your homework" when buying an iphone because aside of either buying an older iphone or newer model, you're done.

I like having choice. That in and of itself would suggest that choosing with due diligence would be a "good thing" to do.
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ubermoe

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I came thought all of the replies on this thread but your reply was a really weird. Let me talk in general, that an individual case cannot be taken as the official view for the platform. Both Android, iPhone, BB, Nokia, each of them has its own failures that is mostly related to software which is pretty easy, amazingly easy to "format" and then install a fresh copy of the OS with Android while it's hard with Nokia, BB, and iPhone. I don't mean factory reset but a complete OS deletion and replacement.

said by OZO:

A third party tool that kills app may not help (and why I should use a tool that closes an app).

Speaking of multitasking, actually users get fooled by the titles of the apps on Play Store and iOS Store. These apps do not make your phone operate better nor make it faster with so many apps running.

Seeing an app in the running tab doesn't mean it's consuming resources and is being executed, simply Android keep what we can call a reference to certain apps to make them ready when the app is needed, this reference is idle but is ready to be invoked when necessary. You must read this article:

Multitasking the Android Way: »android-developers.blogspot.com/···way.html

so basically, these apps are consuming your battery, yes, these "Task Killers" are the reason why your battery is dying faster as they kill everything related to any app causing Android to re-execute it again. Review process life-cycle in the same article.

said by OZO:

GPS may be in "Looking for location" for up to 10 min, while it shows 10 - 12 satellites connected. Battery may not show it's charged 100%, while it is connected to charger and you see that its voltage is already start dropping and, at the same time, it's percentage of "availability" is slowly growing ~10% per 8 hours (so to get it to "fully charged " state from let say 60% you have to charge it ... 24 hours). Next time it may start from different percentage (assigned to the same voltage).

that is pure personal experience. Did you try to factory reset? were you running a ROM?

said by OZO:

There is a lot of memory available, but suddenly you can't install a small new app. You have to find a third party tool, that clears OS's cache and only then you may do it again (and why I should remember to clear the cache manually? it's the OS's job, for god sake).

You sure you're talking about Android 2.3 and up specially Jelly Bean? If you did not try JB, I think you're missing a lot.

I used to be an iPhone user, tried 3G, 3GS, 4, then 4S. Then moved to Galaxy Nexus and I am running the latest JB version of Android. I can say that my life is way easier and I am much more productive in it. Phone design? software UI? both are getting better with every release.

Sure, I disagree with you, completely, but that doesn't mean I don't understand your points. I think it was an awful experience but make sure you try the right phone.

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GPS may be in "Looking for location" for up to 10 min, while it shows 10 - 12 satellites connected.
As a delivery driver, my job, my livelihood relies on GPS. Quite often I am sent to unfamiliar areas. I never had an issue with the GPS capabilities or Google Nav on any of the phones I’ve used. Over the summer I took a 1,100 mile road trip, my HTC Evo LTE was my GPS the entire way. I never owned (but I have used) a real dedicated GPS, Android phones have never failed me and they are vastly superior to standalone units..

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Battery may not show it's charged 100%, while it is connected to charger and you see that its voltage is already start dropping and, at the same time, it's percentage of "availability" is slowly growing ~10% per 8 hours (so to get it to "fully charged " state from let say 60% you have to charge it ... 24 hours). Next time it may start from different percentage (assigned to the same voltage).
What are you even talking about? Last week I forgot to put my phone on charge before I went to bed. I woke up, it was on 21%. I put it on charge when I got out of bed. By the time I got of the shower, got dressed and did a few other things, it was up to 93% when I left the house, after about 45 minutes on charge. Plugged it into my car charger and by the time my 7.3 mile ride into work was complete I was at 99%.

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There is a lot of memory available, but suddenly you can't install a small new app. You have to find a third party tool, that clears OS's cache and only then you may do it again (and why I should remember to clear the cache manually? it's the OS's job, for god sake).
Can’t say I’ve ever had that issue between the 4 Android phones, 2 Android tablets and Android MP3 Player I have used. Using Éclair, Froyo, Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Ice Cream Sandwich or Jellybean.
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Cheese
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I still maintain he has an issue with his phone.

OZO
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You've cut just last part of my point and perhaps "conveniently" omitted the important premise, explaining why I mentioned third party tool, that kills app. Here is what I actually said:
said by OZO:

Apps may behave unexpectedly. Sometimes they work, sometimes they suddenly don't and the only way to get some predictability back is to reboot the phone... A third party tool that kills app may not help (and why I should use a tool that closes an app).

As you see, the question about third party tool that kills the app was rather a rhetorical one. If OS allowed user to exit apps and did its job of cleaning up OS resources properly, I'd never needed those third pary tools. I'd just exit the app, start it again and that's it. The problem is - it doesn't. First, OS doesn't offer a standard way to stop app from running and second, OS doesn't clean up system resources properly all the time. Why I've mentioned the latter? Because even if you find a way to kill the app and restart it again the problem may persist... The only solution in this case is to reboot the OS... ubermoe See Profile, my point was not about multitasking. You didn't get it and then called my post weird...

said by ubermoe:

that is pure personal experience. Did you try to factory reset? were you running a ROM?

Pure personal experience? Perhaps. But then you do your own homework and read many threads in XDT forum (and may other places), containing hundreds of posts each about the same problem, you may start thinking that may be it's not just simple as my personal experience. And yes, I did factory reset and tried many ROM's. They may behave differently, but what I've mentioned above is related to the design of OS itself, not to particular implementation or its version.

said by ubermoe:

You sure you're talking about Android 2.3 and up specially Jelly Bean? If you did not try JB, I think you're missing a lot.

You may find the answer to your question if you read my first post.

said by ubermoe:

Sure, I disagree with you, completely, but that doesn't mean I don't understand your points. I think it was an awful experience but make sure you try the right phone.

1. No. Based on what you've posted, I think you've missed my points. Please peruse what I've posted earlier.
2. So, as a solution your suggest me to "try the right phone"? HTC that cost me around $500 was not "the right phone"? It's not my hobby to buy, to test, and then to sell smartphones just to find the "right phone". It takes time, cost money and ... I have a life, you know. So, may be it's a solution for you, but not for me...
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Cheese
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Once again and for the last time, the problems you mention, are NOT NORMAL. Taking 10 min to lock onto GPS? That most certainly IS NOT an OS issue.

OZO
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said by Cheese:

Once again and for the last time,

Thank you so much and I really appreciate your difficult decision to stop that

And I already know that you think that GPS support (as well as WiFi networking and others) is not part of the Android OS... And if something is not working it's all the fault of the user, not OS. I've got that...
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Holy shit, you are obtuse.

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I’m currently inside of my house, on Verizon’s 3G network, on my Droid DNA I went to Google Navigation, and verbally dictated ‘Navigate To Best Buy’. From the moment I finished that statement until the moment it locked the GPS signal and fully loaded it was 12 seconds read to take me to the closest Best Buy. And now that I have a lock on the GPS satellites the two other places I had Google Nav take me load almost instantly.
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Cheese
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said by Happydude32:

I’m currently inside of my house, on Verizon’s 3G network, on my Droid DNA I went to Google Navigation, and verbally dictated ‘Navigate To Best Buy’. From the moment I finished that statement until the moment it locked the GPS signal and fully loaded it was 12 seconds read to take me to the closest Best Buy. And now that I have a lock on the GPS satellites the two other places I had Google Nav take me load almost instantly.

My S3 is the same, it's almost instant. I load GMAPS and it's got my location in literally seconds.

It's obvious it's an issue with his phone.

OZO
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said by Cheese:

It's obvious it's an issue with his phone.

You can't keep your own promises, can you?
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Cheese
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That post, wasn't directed at you.


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said by OZO:

said by Cheese:

It's obvious it's an issue with his phone.

You can't keep your own promises, can you?

Trying to get someone to go away does not make you right. However if you repeat it often enough you may not have to hear it any more. Didn't you post here to hear other opinions and help if necessary? Or are you merely trolling?
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OZO
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I post my personal experience and observations here. Sorry if it's not the same as yours. Repeating "it's an issue with his phone" is trolling in my books...
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You actually sound like an Ifan trying to get validation for his misled opinions on an Android forum. It isn't going to happen. By the way did you really have these experiences or are you just repeating what you may have overheard? If you did have an android phone and had these problems where are your posts from that time?
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OZO
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And now you're trying to start the trolling of this thread too...
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