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swintec
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reply to burger eater

Re: VPN providers being sued?

said by burger eater:

Don't do it. Tor isn't meant for heavy use.

I can't even get it to serve web pages reliably most of the time. High traffic apps definitely hurts the network.
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burger eater

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reply to ophelus
Don't do it. Tor isn't meant for heavy use.

ophelus

join:2004-01-11
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reply to Pirate515
I believe it's probably possible for you to run your own vpn/ssh forwarding through your own server (co-located or dedicated) or through the vps servers.. (meaning you can make sure said logs are deleted ) but whether your host/data center keeps IP logs is also a 'different story'

Couldn't you run usenet data through the 'tor' network..? I assume so..


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reply to brianiscool
said by brianiscool:

It does not matter if your personal information is not given out. If you are obtaining an IP Address from your ISP. They can always go back during the time and date when you obtained that IP address and found out who you are.

Well, the whole point of VPN when it comes to torrenting is that "copyright police" will get the IP that you got from your VPN carrier as opposed to that from your ISP; and then the VPN provider is the one who gets a subpoena. From here, it all depends on how "cooperative" that VPN provider will be. Obviously, if they indeed keep no logs as they say they do, they will have no info to give back to the MAFIAA. And if there is no data retention law in the country where they operate from, they cannot be legally forced to log.

When you are VPN'd in, all your ISP will see is encrypted traffic between you and your VPN host. Not enough to prove you wrong in court.
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reply to brianiscool
said by brianiscool:

It does not matter if your personal information is not given out. If you are obtaining an IP Address from your ISP. They can always go back during the time and date when you obtained that IP address and found out who you are.

well thats what I meant- will the vpn give up your ip addy...

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reply to Rexter
said by Rexter:

Well yea, that's the question. They claim to not keep logs, but which can you trust

»torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-provi···-111007/

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reply to jimboe
It does not matter if your personal information is not given out. If you are obtaining an IP Address from your ISP. They can always go back during the time and date when you obtained that IP address and found out who you are.


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said by Rexter:

Why don't the AA's(asses) go after the VPN providers, especially ones like IBVPN who advertise Bittorrent friendly?

I'm not totally sure, and for all we know, some VPNs are being sued right now....but my best guess is because any VPN has significant applications for non-infringing use (anonymity, bypassing ISP/national censors, accessing data normally only available to users in a certain country (hulu), etc.). I believe this is the logic that saved the Betamax format in the 1980s.

Even if someone signs up for a VPN that bills itself as "torrent-friendly", it's hard to prove in court that the entire userbase is using it for illegal filesharing.

And, there is lower-lying fruit out there at the moment (warez bulletin boards, cyberlockers, etc.)
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Rexter
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reply to ophelus
I just though it was a bit interesting. Like I said, they'll have my real IP every time I connect. Anyone know how well such a service works?. Why don't the AA's(asses) go after the VPN providers, especially ones like IBVPN who advertise Bittorrent friendly?
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ophelus

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reply to Rexter
Probably to protect from fraudsters.. aka.. people who want to commit fraud sign up already ‘hiding’

If it bothers you so much.. go signup from a mcdonalds or wireless café..


Rexter
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reply to jimboe
Well yea, that's the question. They claim to not keep logs, but which can you trust. I was looking seriously at IBVPN, but when I went to check out they said that if you are using another VPN or anon service during the check out your purchase will be flagged as fraud, and canceled. Of course they will see my real IP when I connect, but why do they demand it during purchase?
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jimboe

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reply to Rexter
should not your primary concern be whether or not your personal info is divulged?