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Kardinal
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Nope, that's not a sensationalist headline (oh brother)

Exactly right - she is being released because she has served the sentence imposed on her for what she has done, and is going to be under scrutiny imposed as part of her release.

Is the suggestion that someone be locked up indefinitely because of something they *might* do? Petition your law-and-order government to put a new law in the next omnibus bill that people should be locked up indefinitely for a crime they haven't yet committed.
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said by Kardinal:

Exactly right - she is being released because she has served the sentence imposed on her for what she has done, and is going to be under scrutiny imposed as part of her release.

Is the suggestion that someone be locked up indefinitely because of something they *might* do? Petition your law-and-order government to put a new law in the next omnibus bill that people should be locked up indefinitely for a crime they haven't yet committed.

If you watched the video it is mentioned she has an accelerating history of violence and is an high risk to re-offend... or do we not heed the observations of the professional people who been involved with her...

Here's a CTV News link...

»bc.ctvnews.ca/sfu-animal-killer-···.1104125


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said by vue666:

said by Kardinal:

Exactly right - she is being released because she has served the sentence imposed on her for what she has done, and is going to be under scrutiny imposed as part of her release.

Is the suggestion that someone be locked up indefinitely because of something they *might* do? Petition your law-and-order government to put a new law in the next omnibus bill that people should be locked up indefinitely for a crime they haven't yet committed.

If you watched the video it is mentioned she has an accelerating history of violence and is an high risk to re-offend... or do we not heed the observations of the professional people who been involved with her...

::sigh::

I did watch the video in the Yahoo blog, and I do understand that she has a history of violence and is a risk to re-offend.

Now, for the 2nd time: are you advocating for people to be locked up indefinitely for crimes they haven't committed yet because there is an opinion that they are a risk to re-offend?
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My solution is more along the lines of Dragonfly's response...



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said by Kardinal:

are you advocating for people to be locked up indefinitely for crimes they haven't committed yet because there is an opinion that they are a risk to re-offend?

said by vue666:

My solution is more along the lines of Dragonfly's response...

said by dragonfly:

She should be committed to a mental hospital for life, under direct supervision, unless and until it can be proven that she is not a danger.

Hmmm...."committed for life unless it can be proven she is not a danger"....to me, that sounds like advocating for locking up someone indefinitely for something they haven't done, until the opinion that the decision is based on changes, but perhaps I'm oversimplifying.
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So you consider her rights more important then her possible danger to children or the elderly as Anav pointed out?

Remember it is the same profession that deemed her a high risk to re-offend that is considering releasing Guy Turcotte back into society as they deemed Turcotte unlikely to re-offend..



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It seems we have a lot of exaggerations in this thread when we should be having a realistic discussion based on the facts.

We have a woman that enjoys torturing and killing animals to the point of recording it and reviewing it, who's done this for personal enjoyment and not for attention. We have a woman that's stated she has a desire to kill human beings and collected items in preparation.

Now, considering those facts, should we not be concerned with the potential this woman has to harm again? Especially since a number of specialists in the field of psychiatry has stated that they are concerned she will harm again?

This discussion seems to be "solution suggestion" with an "insult solution" response, rather than an alternative suggestion. I personally feel that locking her away indefinitely is a little too extreme but I do feel that she requires the regular involvement of specialists in her life.



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said by urbanriot:

This discussion seems to be "solution suggestion" with an "insult solution" response, rather than an alternative suggestion. I personally feel that locking her away indefinitely is a little too extreme but I do feel that she requires the regular involvement of specialists in her life.

What "solution" is there? Canada operates on the rule of law based on fundamental rights and freedoms that are enshrined in the Charter and apply equally to everyone. Knowing this, we can't just make up things willy nilly and lock people up because they might happen.


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said by Gone:

said by urbanriot:

This discussion seems to be "solution suggestion" with an "insult solution" response, rather than an alternative suggestion. I personally feel that locking her away indefinitely is a little too extreme but I do feel that she requires the regular involvement of specialists in her life.

What "solution" is there? Canada operates on the rule of law based on fundamental rights and freedoms that are enshrined in the Charter and apply equally to everyone. Knowing this, we can't just make up things willy nilly and lock people up because they might happen.

Love it, status quo do nothing approach. Hey run for politics you fit right in.
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said by vue666:

So you consider her rights more important then her possible danger to children or the elderly as Anav pointed out?

Remember it is the same profession that deemed her a high risk to re-offend that is considering releasing Guy Turcotte back into society as they deemed Turcotte unlikely to re-offend..

Heh....I'll stop asking if you are advocating for locking up people for something they haven't done as it's obvious you aren't going to formally state what you're insinuating and one is left to imagine why this is. That said, thanks for going where where I was heading before I could get there: your disagreement with the system (and decrying of it) when Guy Turcotte was being released because the system's opinion was that he was a low-risk was well documented, and yet you're suddenly wishing they would act harder on what you consider to be the correct opinion they have reached in this case. It's an interesting paradox: you want the system to act on opinions you agree with, but not act on the opinions you disagree with.

I'm with urbanriot See Profile on this one:

said by urbanriot:

I personally feel that locking her away indefinitely is a little too extreme but I do feel that she requires the regular involvement of specialists in her life.

Oh look, that's what the system is advocating and putting in place.
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said by Anav:

Love it, status quo do nothing approach. Hey run for politics you fit right in.

So you're advocating that we infringe on someone's Charter rights and/or break the law?

Gotcha!

I should just add, mental health care will be an important component in her life and no one should deny that. Unfortunately, as I harp on all the time, the level of care we provide for mental health issues in this country is absurd. Locking someone away because they might do something is not only not the answer, but it's outright illegal.
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