Re: Nope, that's not a sensationalist headline (oh brother)

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vue666 I'm in the prime of my senility Premium join:2007-12-07 Halifax, NS	reply to Kardinal Re: Nope, that's not a sensationalist headline (oh brother) My solution is more along the lines of Dragonfly's response...
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Kardinal Dei Gratia Regina Premium join:2001-02-04 N of 49th	said by Kardinal: are you advocating for people to be locked up indefinitely for crimes they haven't committed yet because there is an opinion that they are a risk to re-offend? said by vue666: My solution is more along the lines of Dragonfly's response... said by dragonfly: She should be committed to a mental hospital for life, under direct supervision, unless and until it can be proven that she is not a danger. Hmmm...."committed for life unless it can be proven she is not a danger"....to me, that sounds like advocating for locking up someone indefinitely for something they haven't done, until the opinion that the decision is based on changes, but perhaps I'm oversimplifying. -- All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars - Peart / Lifeson / Lee Join Team Helix
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vue666 I'm in the prime of my senility Premium join:2007-12-07 Halifax, NS	So you consider her rights more important then her possible danger to children or the elderly as Anav pointed out? Remember it is the same profession that deemed her a high risk to re-offend that is considering releasing Guy Turcotte back into society as they deemed Turcotte unlikely to re-offend..
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urbanriot Premium join:2004-10-18 Canada kudos:3 Reviews: ·Cogeco Cable	reply to Kardinal It seems we have a lot of exaggerations in this thread when we should be having a realistic discussion based on the facts. We have a woman that enjoys torturing and killing animals to the point of recording it and reviewing it, who's done this for personal enjoyment and not for attention. We have a woman that's stated she has a desire to kill human beings and collected items in preparation. Now, considering those facts, should we not be concerned with the potential this woman has to harm again? Especially since a number of specialists in the field of psychiatry has stated that they are concerned she will harm again? This discussion seems to be "solution suggestion" with an "insult solution" response, rather than an alternative suggestion. I personally feel that locking her away indefinitely is a little too extreme but I do feel that she requires the regular involvement of specialists in her life.
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Gone Premium join:2011-01-24 Fort Erie, ON kudos:3 Reviews: ·Start Communicat..	said by urbanriot: This discussion seems to be "solution suggestion" with an "insult solution" response, rather than an alternative suggestion. I personally feel that locking her away indefinitely is a little too extreme but I do feel that she requires the regular involvement of specialists in her life. What "solution" is there? Canada operates on the rule of law based on fundamental rights and freedoms that are enshrined in the Charter and apply equally to everyone. Knowing this, we can't just make up things willy nilly and lock people up because they might happen.
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Anav Sarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic Premium join:2001-07-16 Dartmouth, NS kudos:3	said by Gone: said by urbanriot: This discussion seems to be "solution suggestion" with an "insult solution" response, rather than an alternative suggestion. I personally feel that locking her away indefinitely is a little too extreme but I do feel that she requires the regular involvement of specialists in her life. What "solution" is there? Canada operates on the rule of law based on fundamental rights and freedoms that are enshrined in the Charter and apply equally to everyone. Knowing this, we can't just make up things willy nilly and lock people up because they might happen. Love it, status quo do nothing approach. Hey run for politics you fit right in. -- Ain't nuthin but the blues! "Albert Collins". Leave your troubles at the door! "Pepe Peregil" De Sevilla. Just Don't Wifi without WPA, "Yul Brenner" LlamaWorks Equipment
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Kardinal Dei Gratia Regina Premium join:2001-02-04 N of 49th	reply to vue666 said by vue666: So you consider her rights more important then her possible danger to children or the elderly as Anav pointed out? Remember it is the same profession that deemed her a high risk to re-offend that is considering releasing Guy Turcotte back into society as they deemed Turcotte unlikely to re-offend.. Heh....I'll stop asking if you are advocating for locking up people for something they haven't done as it's obvious you aren't going to formally state what you're insinuating and one is left to imagine why this is. That said, thanks for going where where I was heading before I could get there: your disagreement with the system (and decrying of it) when Guy Turcotte was being released because the system's opinion was that he was a low-risk was well documented, and yet you're suddenly wishing they would act harder on what you consider to be the correct opinion they have reached in this case. It's an interesting paradox: you want the system to act on opinions you agree with, but not act on the opinions you disagree with. I'm with urbanriot on this one: said by urbanriot: I personally feel that locking her away indefinitely is a little too extreme but I do feel that she requires the regular involvement of specialists in her life. Oh look, that's what the system is advocating and putting in place. -- All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars - Peart / Lifeson / Lee Join Team Helix
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Gone Premium join:2011-01-24 Fort Erie, ON kudos:3 Reviews: ·Start Communicat..	reply to Anav said by Anav: Love it, status quo do nothing approach. Hey run for politics you fit right in. So you're advocating that we infringe on someone's Charter rights and/or break the law? Gotcha! I should just add, mental health care will be an important component in her life and no one should deny that. Unfortunately, as I harp on all the time, the level of care we provide for mental health issues in this country is absurd. Locking someone away because they might do something is not only not the answer, but it's outright illegal.
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