I have a question about doors. Are solid core wood doors better for security or are the steel doors better. I already know to get the screws for the deadbolt put into the frame of the house. I am just wondering about the pros and the cons of each type of door.
I don't think it matter between solid and metal they work about the same. Both are fire-rated doors. In the end the weakest part of the door is the hinges, handle, and/or lock. That's where people focus. If someone wanted to go threw our door they'd just hook up a chain to the door then to their car and rip the door off. That or shoot out the lock. Just go with a standard solid core FIBERGLASS fire-rated 20 minute door. -- IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!
You not only need to take the door into consideration, but the jamb and swing of the door. When someone tries to breach the door they're going to try and force the door inwards. If you have an inswing door with a wooden jamb enough force needs to be applied to break 2 fastners and ~3/4" of wood. Versus a metal jamb, outswing you are now applying force against a metal stop on 3 sides of the door. As to metal vs solid core, I would think both would hold up quite well against brute force with the later installation. As to someone using heavy equipment to breach a house, house loses.
We are having break ins where they are kicking in back doors or doors attached to garages that are in the back yard or out of view of neighbors. On my house breaking a window would possibly work but the neighbors would all hear. The same with brute force. Can any door be set to swing out? What about temperature issues? Does steel conduct heat and cold? Also I am getting a plain door. No windows in it at all.
As long as you have room for the door to swing it can open either direction. You just have to buy a pre-hung inswing or outswing door to install. A cheaper option is get a wireless outside webcam and install it out of reach but in plain sight. Set it to email you pictures anytime it detects movement. If they want to break in after that the door wouldn't have made any difference.
While your at it go onto eBay and buy some ADT stickers and signs. The best option is to make sure they don't want to mess with you in the first place rather then invite attack and plan a defense against it.
The best defense is a good offense! -- IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!
You not only need to take the door into consideration, but the jamb and swing of the door. When someone tries to breach the door they're going to try and force the door inwards. If you have an inswing door with a wooden jamb enough force needs to be applied to break 2 fastners and ~3/4" of wood. Versus a metal jamb, outswing you are now applying force against a metal stop on 3 sides of the door. As to metal vs solid core, I would think both would hold up quite well against brute force with the later installation.
When was the last time out saw an outswinging entry door on a house? Yeah they exist, but they are rare. Even if they are used, they are still not hard to get into. It's going to make noise, but a metal pry bar of a decent length will provide more than enough leverage. Door jamb, door, hinges, lockset...somethings going to give.
The only difference between wood, fiberglass, and steel exterior is durability. If you bump a steel door you might dent it where wood or fiberglass wouldn't. Steel is considered the budget door. A fire-rating means 'solid core' so from a security prospective you don't care about the fire rating but you want 'solid core' so you get a fire rated door. -- IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!
An outswing entry door is 10 times easier to pick then inswing entry door as well which is why the majority of entry doors are inswing.
Could you elaborate?
The space between the frame and the door is exposed on an outswing door. I've seen people pick outswings in under 60 seconds as a teen. Inswings they skipped and attacked windows instead.
Not to mention other things like an outswing can get blocked so a fire hazard or if you get snow a nightmare to use that door. -- IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!
Sounds like some old, cheap lock. A properly installed, quality lockset does not allow manipulation of the latch to gain entry. There are also plates which will protect this area from access. As far as a fire hazard, commercial doors are required to swing out as an in-swinging door is considered a fire hazard.
Apples and Oranges argument about the safety of inward vs. outward swing doors...
Emergency exits are required to be out swinging so that in a panic or emergency situation, a crush of people trying to get out won't prevent the door from opening.
Regular entrance/exits can be either way; although traffic flows work better with in-swinging on entrance, out-swinging on exit.
As for the security - outward swinging doors are easier to break into - the hinges are exposed, and even security hinges aren't that difficult to remove... Once the hinge side is free, it doesn't matter what kind of latch or deadbolt is on the other side. You can also get tools into the gap between the door and jamb easier on an outswing door, if you want to try and brute-force it; but reinforced jambs and door edges can minimize that risk.
At the end of the day, doors and locks keep honest or lazy people out - if they really want in, they are getting in... Regardless of what the door is made of.
@cdru - I've taken the Brotherhood Instructors Forcible entry course (that your video is from...) - by the end of the course, there isn't a commercial or residential door out there, that can't be breached in under a minute or two...
As one who has been robbed in a nice neighborhood this is what I learned.
A good door is a deterrent. Double keyed dead bolts are great if you don't have small children. Install a floor safe outside the master bedroom You can't stop a pro Alarms do nothing for most people The police are minutes away when you have seconds Make the thief want to go next door Use 2.5" or longer wood screws to secure the striker plate and hinge plates Use liquid nails to secure all wood to wood surfaces. use 2.5" screws to secure these surfaces and use opposing angles Use pins on exterior doors (from the hinge door to the jam) to keep anyone from removing hinges
I'm curious how you would remove a hinge with the door closed?
For an outswinging door, the hinges are exposed, right? The hinge pins (even in security hinges) are your weak spot - a 5# sledge and a halligan bar will pop the pins in 2-3 hits usually. If, for some reason you can't take the pins, you can always just cut the exposed portion of the hinge off, pin and all. Even with security pins/bolts in the hinge; the door is fairly easily popped - you only need about 1/4" of movement to clear the pin.
Don't get me wrong - the techniques for forced entry I know are effective, not subtle... Pounding with a sledge and halligan, cutting hinges, using a K-tool or slide hammer to remove deadbolts, etc are going to attract a LOT of attention. I'm trained to get in fast, not quietly... LOL
Exactly most security is about making the risk not worth the reward to people. Commercial fire code creates a weakness for example. There's no reason to create the same weakness if you don't have too though an inswing door isn't that much better. I guess you could install door bolts on the opposite sides as the hinges that go into the floor/ceiling so when someone tries to kick the door open it's solid. Eventually they'll get in but it might add enough trouble to get them to stop and pick another place. -- IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes!
Well I got a solid core steel door and a storm door that has a deadbolt lock on it as well the screws all go in to the frame of the house and we installed this »ezarmor.com/?dt_catalog=ez-armor-combo-set as well. Also we installed more lights and some cameras around the house. They tried to get into our neighbors house last weekend but they were home in the basement and the loser thieves almost got shot. (dang.) So the neighbors did the same and also put up a mercury vapor light and also put up cameras. Also all the neighbors are starting a neighbor hood watch in the area and we are getting stepped up police patrols. We have even sent the info of all the stolen Items to all the pawn shops in the surrounding towns and as far as Nebraska, Oklahoma and Missouri, through family members. In other words we are mad as hell and are not going to take it anymore. LOL
Alarms do nothing for most people The police are minutes away when you have seconds
True, since most alarm systems are installed in a way that the alarm can not be heard from outside.
A siren and flashing light on the outside of the house is the way to go. That in itself will be a pretty damned good deterrent. In seconds the whole neighborhood will be alerted. The would-be thief isn't going to stick around.