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John Doe 188

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reply to JohnDoe187

Re: A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers...

I don't see why you and others around here participating in downloading copywrited works thinks Teksavvy should defend/hide you.

If you value the movies and music then pay for them. Don't steal from the people who created them then expect someone else to pay $$ to defend/hide you.

Teksavvy hasn't failed me as a customer as I pay them for internet and they provide it at a very competitive price.

Mind you I don't steal.

Tong

join:2012-12-11
r3t 38x
I'm sure you have never borrowed a book, a movie or recorded anything from a TV either.
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JohnDoe187

join:2013-01-04
reply to John Doe 188

Re: A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers...

It is obvious that you are clueless to the situation.
No one has stolen anything or infringed any copyright material until there is actually a trail so labelling everyone as thieves show how much an education you really have. The motion is AGAINST Teksavvy at this point and it is a privacy issue not pirate issue, known the difference but maybe you belong to a communist society.
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JohnDoe187

join:2013-01-04
reply to John Doe 188

Re: A summary of How Teksavvy has failed it's customers...

Also I guess all the subject matter experts are wrong and you... A lonely Doe is right? Lol Get off your high horse buddy...


Gimli
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join:2006-01-03
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reply to John Doe 188
said by John Doe 188 :

I don't see why you and others around here participating in downloading copywrited works thinks Teksavvy should defend/hide you.

If you value the movies and music then pay for them. Don't steal from the people who created them then expect someone else to pay $$ to defend/hide you.

Teksavvy hasn't failed me as a customer as I pay them for internet and they provide it at a very competitive price.

Mind you I don't steal.

You miss the entire point of the article and situation.

TSI should not and cannot defend anyone of Copyright infringement, they have no proof, evidence or right to.

On the same token, Voltage also has no concrete evidence or proof to of Commercial copyright infringement, or more importantly ...ANY PROOF that a person associated with a ISP internet account was the person associated with a 3rd party scan of a torrent Swarm.

For this reason alone, TSI SHOULD be fighting for its Customer PRIVACY rights. I was under the impression that this would be the case...

Marc , without a long winded, legally checked and re checked , informal statement, will TSI be fighting to protect its Customers Privacy come Jan 14 and beyond if necessary.

In my opinion, TSI has every right to fight to protect their Customers privacy, especially against a clearly defunk company that has made copyright trolling an established revenue stream ( if not the only revenue stream ) for its business.

Please keep in mind that TSI is the only one named in the current proceeding to reveal Customer Data........


Tx
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reply to John Doe 188
said by John Doe 188 :

I don't see why you and others around here participating in downloading copywrited works thinks Teksavvy should defend/hide you.

If you value the movies and music then pay for them. Don't steal from the people who created them then expect someone else to pay $$ to defend/hide you.

Teksavvy hasn't failed me as a customer as I pay them for internet and they provide it at a very competitive price.

Mind you I don't steal.

1. You clearly don't understand what theft or stealing is. Feel free to look up the meaning.

2. You're either too young 10 years old and have no clue what you're saying or you're older 60-80 and have no clue how the internet works. No one person with a head on their shoulders would paint everyone as a pirate because they got a magic letter.

Maybe try reading for a change. Several articles not just this one referenced over the last month. There are also several articles, blogs etc from regular folk to lawyers and copyright experts that can explain it your terms as to how your way of thinking is wrong.

Grow up or do your research before you paint "us all" as people who "steal" lol.

said by mattvmotas:

Saying TSI has failed it's customers is like blaming Ford for not defending you against a speeding ticket.

TSI provides a phenomenal service, what you do with that service is not their problem. If you want it to be their problem, then you can expect all kinds of throttling and firewalling to start happening.

You cannot have a wide open unlimited Internet connection and then complain when that very service brings unwanted attention.

I think people need to start taking responsibility for their own actions. If you downloaded the content, you are guilty and it is not TSI's problem.

Speeding ticket = uh oh, i'm behind the wheel. Yup i was driving. Caught red handed.

Copyright/piracy = uh...no. No proof who was the one doing the downloading and if you have wifi in a house, to be quite honest it can be any billy joe bob who did it from in your house to on the street. Don't be so naive.

How does people assuming their privacy is TSI's problem have ANYTHING to do with throttling, Firewalling ? (odd one) Just for that comment alone you have no clue.

said by cmotors:

said by JohnDoe187:

Is it "dumb" or a dumb business decision?

In my opinion, it is dumb to blame teksavvy. Dumb business decision? That's not a simple answer if you are the one running the business. However, it's far, FAR too easy to say that from the outside looking in. Considering the time that TSI spent researching their options, I wouldn't think they were uninformed or had neglected to weigh all options when making that decision.

said by JohnDoe187:

As stated TSI prides on being different and customer friendly. If this had any merit no one would care to chime in and CPPIC would stay out of it. To be it is "dumb" on a company's party to not question the validity of the claim before it hands out personal information.

As far as I can see, being different and customer friendly is not necessarily mutually exclusive to their decision. Now if Teksavvy had said they were the champions of justice, I would give you the slam dunk on that.

There is merit to the problems expressed with giving Voltage that info. As far as I know, Teksavvy is not disputing that. I don't dispute that either. I disagree with saying that Teksavvy is dumb for remaining neutral. That is a bit simplistic.

I think you miss the point. Forget my point, let's just point out several copyright experts and lawyers agree with those of us that find TSI is rolling over.

cmotors

join:2011-01-28
I'm not missing the point, contrary to what you seem to believe. I just disagree with you lot who are putting down teksavvy, regardless of title, creed, social stature, expert knowledge of everything, note from mommy, etc... So you've got a bunch of people that agree with you. I'm sure there is a bunch of people that agree with me too. Big whoop, like that really changes things at the end of the day. 1 million people wrong doesn't make them right, but I guess it's more about feeling superior in numbers than actual logic. I disagree with blaming teksavvy, and that's the only point I'm going to be concerned with. You can spin things however you like, I'm still going to disagree with you. So for you, I'm just going to say that we'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.

... = waste of perfectly good pixels!


Tx
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said by cmotors:

I'm not missing the point, contrary to what you seem to believe. I just disagree with you lot who are putting down teksavvy, regardless of title, creed, social stature, expert knowledge of everything, note from mommy, etc... So you've got a bunch of people that agree with you. I'm sure there is a bunch of people that agree with me too. Big whoop, like that really changes things at the end of the day. 1 million people wrong doesn't make them right, but I guess it's more about feeling superior in numbers than actual logic. I disagree with blaming teksavvy, and that's the only point I'm going to be concerned with. You can spin things however you like, I'm still going to disagree with you. So for you, I'm just going to say that we'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.

... = waste of perfectly good pixels!

Show me a copyright expert or an expert in law (lawyer) who agrees with your side that isn't a DSLR user. Your ideals are yours. A perfect world. We don't live in a perfect world and it's not about asking TSI to stand up for pirates, it's about protecting people such as the 42 who were mistakenly notified. Those 42 were truly innocent but what if it wasn't caught?

Is that the cost of doing business? give me a break. For that very reason that it's not a foolproof way of figure out who, it's a very scary territory to be walking on when you say it's ok what TSI is doing.

It's not ok for ANY isp to do it. Rogers etc will simply because they've proven not to give two shits about their customers and throwing them under the bus to avoid extra legal costs is easier.

Taking the easier route and toss a few sheep in voltages path is not a solution. It's a bandaid and Voltage will be going after far more after this. Let's just hope it's not you next that is mistakenly identified as an infringing IP.

Whoops

Who7

join:2012-12-18
The article in the National Post is making TSI look terrible. They basically saying that TSI is rolling over.

And it's going to get worse if the trolls win.

There you go Marc, you thought that rolling over our privacy was cheaper then fighting. Reap what you sowed.

cmotors

join:2011-01-28
reply to Tx
said by Tx:

Show me a copyright expert or an expert in law (lawyer) who agrees with your side that isn't a DSLR user. Your ideals are yours. A perfect world. We don't live in a perfect world and it's not about asking TSI to stand up for pirates, it's about protecting people such as the 42 who were mistakenly notified. Those 42 were truly innocent but what if it wasn't caught?

I have not brought piracy into my argument, so I have no illusions about that. The issue is clearly bigger than that. I don't feel compelled to find a copyright expert to agree or disagree with me in order to substantiate a point in an internet forum. If there is an "expert" who feels we should all trash teksavvy, then I guess an important event has occurred for some of you. If you feel that you're right, great! I personally don't think teksavvy is the bad guy here. As for the law issues, yes, very important. Hopefully the courts will address the real issue at hand (for ALL of our sakes), not the internet forum one where you guys are trashing teksavvy. Obviously they won't, since teksavvy is not on trial, just in the court of internet forum opinion..

I have no illusions about the people on the ip list. It sucks, and I truly hope the courts come through for them, and everyone that isn't on the list either. If I was on the list, it wouldn't change my opinion. I would be pretty po'd for sure. But at voltage... Upon hearing that Teksavvy would not be fighting, i would be disappointed as well. However, Teksavvy is not my Mommy, nor do I expect them to be.

said by Tx:

Is that the cost of doing business? give me a break. For that very reason that it's not a foolproof way of figure out who, it's a very scary territory to be walking on when you say it's ok what TSI is doing.

Clearly there are issues with ip tracking and spoofing. I'm quite familiar with the landscape. This has to be recognized by the courts (fingers crossed). Not going to blame teksavvy for what voltage is doing.

said by Tx:

It's not ok for ANY isp to do it. Rogers etc will simply because they've proven not to give two shits about their customers and throwing them under the bus to avoid extra legal costs is easier.

I agree about Rogers, for sure. For Teksavvy, I don't think it is the same. The result may be similar, but the paths and choices taken are different. Not saying that any body shouldn't be disappointed, I just don't think Teksavvy should be the ones on trial here. My opinion.

said by Tx:

Taking the easier route and toss a few sheep in voltages path is not a solution. It's a bandaid and Voltage will be going after far more after this. Let's just hope it's not you next that is mistakenly identified as an infringing IP.

Agreed, except for the characterization of the matter as being simply throwing sheep.

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to John Doe 188
Copy, the word is copy... to steal something would require the original owner to no longer have the item.

Secondly, its perfectly legal to "download" a file.. the illegal part is the uploading of the file.

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to JohnDoe187
Actually if we lived in a communist society then everyone would have the right to have it... hence what "socialism" is. Communism works on an "all or nothing" way of thinking... there are no haves and have nots.. there are either all haves or all nots.

funny0

join:2010-12-22
reply to John Doe 188
said by John Doe 188 :

I don't see why you and others around here participating in downloading copywrited works thinks Teksavvy should defend/hide you.

If you value the movies and music then pay for them. Don't steal from the people who created them then expect someone else to pay $$ to defend/hide you.

Teksavvy hasn't failed me as a customer as I pay them for internet and they provide it at a very competitive price.

Mind you I don't steal.

and mind you A) you have no proof the parent poster took anything and ill add copying a file is not theft , never has been and for you to call me that copies files and have since i was 12 ( that is how computers work after all ) a thief , you better smarten up with legal people about here you need to get told that slander and defamation of character is actually a crime....

I'm not one of hte named and i can see serious legal problems with this case and im not a lawyer...this puts so much risk on using the internet that a lot a people will probably start shutting it off and ending the economy as you know it.

I see voltage as they really are economic terrorists and you can take me to court and ill justify this opinion.
I even see todays copyright as such. Every dollar taken by labels today is removed from the economy for the bragging rights of SEE IM MORE RICH THEN YOU....not for advancing society.

you also need ot understand what public domain is and that copyrights were origianlly created to give an artist or creator or inventor enough funds to do more. IF you have no intent on making more you should not get any more!!!!

take take take thats all you wanna do.
and dare i say it should i pay for a video game take it home and then find out it dont work and then cant get a refund?
What if it makes my PC hackable cause of its drm. OR degrades my pc on that same reason?

and you realize that with bryce 7.1 , and a few things from that same company on the cheap i dont need actors to create movies that are very near realistic looking.
imagine a unity liscense at 1500 bucks and i can make hundreds of games and put up a donation button and i bet ill have that 1500 back and guess what no lawyers , no need a copyrights , no need of your greedy sick kind.

YOU SEE YOUR TIME IS ENDING NO MATTER WHAT YOU TRY.

funny0

join:2010-12-22
reply to Gimli
said by Gimli:

said by John Doe 188 :

I don't see why you and others around here participating in downloading copywrited works thinks Teksavvy should defend/hide you.

If you value the movies and music then pay for them. Don't steal from the people who created them then expect someone else to pay $$ to defend/hide you.

Teksavvy hasn't failed me as a customer as I pay them for internet and they provide it at a very competitive price.

Mind you I don't steal.

You miss the entire point of the article and situation.

TSI should not and cannot defend anyone of Copyright infringement, they have no proof, evidence or right to.

On the same token, Voltage also has no concrete evidence or proof to of Commercial copyright infringement, or more importantly ...ANY PROOF that a person associated with a ISP internet account was the person associated with a 3rd party scan of a torrent Swarm.

For this reason alone, TSI SHOULD be fighting for its Customer PRIVACY rights. I was under the impression that this would be the case...

Marc , without a long winded, legally checked and re checked , informal statement, will TSI be fighting to protect its Customers Privacy come Jan 14 and beyond if necessary.

In my opinion, TSI has every right to fight to protect their Customers privacy, especially against a clearly defunk company that has made copyright trolling an established revenue stream ( if not the only revenue stream ) for its business.

Please keep in mind that TSI is the only one named in the current proceeding to reveal Customer Data........

this is about a privacy act to protect citizens of canada and there data and information from predatory uses. Ask yourself why did voltage after finally getting data from bell drop the case?

Also in siting the above case law one also needs to understand the rule of said law has changed dramatically.

and this is easy to show in court
you get 5 people 1 dressed up like a girl and all wearing masks that completely cover there faces
put one of the offending ips on there front sweater
and say can you tell which is fred
( and have fred the one thats actually dressed up in a skirt )
then you can say and thus sir you cannot reasonably tell me any ip address can be said to be without reasonable doubt one is doing anything.
AINT law grand....

cause thats how it is police need a warrant to enter a specific room in a rooming house they dont just get one warrant and search the whole house.