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ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2

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reply to saneblane

Re: Is this some kind of joke?

Verizon (or any other MSO) doesnt care about piracy when it erodes their TV revenues? Wake up.


saneblane

@199.192.224.x
What revenue is piracy harming for Verizon?


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2

1 recommendation

TV !


MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
kudos:1
It may be slightly problematic, but not as much as you think.
With the crazy pricing structures and promotional plans, tv doesn't cost much more when compared to only subscribing to internet service. It's only $30 more for me to get the full triple play with a whole home dvr and a hd box.

I have their phone service mostly because if you downgrade to the double play and forget phone, it actually costs $10 more because I lose all of my dvr and box savings. their plans are designed to make you get the triple play and if you get internet only your suffering with a much less convenient tv watching experience compared to piracy and their still getting most of the money as internet by itself is extremely expensive as a stand alone product.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Promotions are temporary. What % of cable TV customers do you believe are in promotions? They make their money when promotions are up.


MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
kudos:1
None of the smart ones lol (just joking), I switch back and forth, or threaten to and get another promotion every time my promotion is up If you don't have alternatives to threaten to leave for it's a different story.

But you have a point most tv subscribers probably are not on a promotion.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to ITALIAN926
So what you are implying is that people that pirate do so to avoid not paying to watch something. Can you provide proof that those same people would pay to watch the same stuff if it were 100% impossible to get through other means thus making it erode their TV revenues?

In other words, pirates != people that would pay if they had no other options. As a matter of fact, I believe there have been a few things posted that show "pirates" actually spend more money on the things they are accused of pirating than the non-pirates.


The Limit
Premium
join:2007-09-25
Greensboro, NC
kudos:2
reply to ITALIAN926
Yea, about those "lost" profits. Please provide some evidence of that, otherwise it's all bologna.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
reply to Skippy25
Look man, I have an Uncle who pirates everything under the sun and cut his TV subscription. Thats one less video customer for Cablevision, and its all the proof I need to back my theory that piracy causes less revenue for the MSO's

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
And my aunts friend has a sister who knows someone that lives down the street that pirates everything under the sun and never had and never will have a TV subscription.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
It doesnt matter one bit. My conclusive evidence that ONE CUSTOMER "cut the cord" directly because of pirating proves my statement that piracy erodes profits for the MSO's.

FURTHERMORE, Piracy leads to increased carriage fees in which the MSO's have to pay the stations ! Which leads to even more lost customers, and lost revenue.

now keep on skippin'


cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7
said by ITALIAN926:

It doesnt matter one bit. My conclusive evidence that ONE CUSTOMER "cut the cord" directly because of pirating proves my statement that piracy erodes profits for the MSO's.

But if the pirate pays for a $200 broadband package instead of a $50 broadband package and a $100 TV package, is the MSO losing money or profiting on the pirate?


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
He's not

serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to The Limit
said by The Limit:

Yea, about those "lost" profits. Please provide some evidence of that, otherwise it's all bologna.

Hope you like anecdotes because I smell one coming


The Limit
Premium
join:2007-09-25
Greensboro, NC
kudos:2
reply to ITALIAN926
Oh I see. No hard evidence just OMG THIS GUY I KNOW DOES THIS argument.

Burden of proof is on you. Try again.


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

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reply to Skippy25
said by Skippy25:

So what you are implying is that people that pirate do so to avoid not paying to watch something. Can you provide proof that those same people would pay to watch the same stuff if it were 100% impossible to get through other means thus making it erode their TV revenues?

So because one refuses to pay for something they are entitled to it anyways? It doesn't matter if no one is losing a dime. If you are supposed to pay for something and you don't want to then you are not entitled to it. If I don't want to pay $8 to see a movie that does not give me a right to sneak into the theater.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

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reply to The Limit
quote:
Oh I see. No hard evidence just OMG THIS GUY I KNOW DOES THIS argument.

Burden of proof is on you. Try again.
WTF are you talking about? Pirating has caused the cable industry to lose about $50 a month (for basic) due to my UNCLE, and his lack of morals. What kind of evidence would you like, for me to turn him in and get a police report? ONE MAN out of MILLIONS COPYRIGHT INFRINGERS having an impact on the MSO's and entertainment industry. Have you even an ounce of common sense? Even if he was the ONLY ONE DOING IT, ITS STILL EVIDENCE OF LOST REVENUE.

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to cdru
*SUPER MEGA LIKE* lol... You hit the nail on the head!

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to ITALIAN926
Did he raise his internet speed? I pirate all the time.. but I also spend about $3000 a year on video games and movies... I go to the movie theater often... I also have a TV provider... but as I say.. I pirate all the time...

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to 88615298
If I download a movie that I had no intention of watching if I hadn't downloaded it... was it really a lost sale?


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
reply to Trencher
Wow, I spend about $5000 a year in gasoline, thanks for telling me that logically I should be able to fill up and run off without paying; on occasion. I'll use your logic as my defense when I get caught.


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to Trencher
That's not the point. If I sneak into an empty theater to see a movie I had no intention on paying for anyway am I costing the theater anything? Nope. Is it right to do? Nope. Why should my lack of wanting to pay still entitle me to see the movie? Same thing with downloading. If you are supposed to pay and you don't want to then you don't get to see the content, PERIOD. Doesn't matter if it's costing the profit or not.

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
Slight problem with your analogy... If you go to a theatre and the movies sold out and you sneak in.. Taking a paying customers seat from them then yes you ripped off the theater... If you go and sit in the movie and there are 50 seats free then in reality you didn't steal anything at all and may have actually made the theater some money if you bought a drink.

My point was I'm not technically taking anything away from the ppl who made the film if I download it and watch something I never planned on paying for in the 1st place... If I like it I may even go out and buy the Blu-ray or tell a friend about it which may make another sale... Piracy isn't all about "stealing". If it wasn't for tape trading in the 80s Metallica would never of blown up as big as they did... Which is why fans backlashed at the whole napster thing.

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to 88615298
What's the point of making something if no one goes to see it... If someone makes a film and no ones willing to pay to see it, was it really worth making? Film is an art to be enjoyed... Some pieces of Art you want to own to keep for yourself and others you just admire and enjoy. Did the person who just admired it from afar just "steal" that art because they didn't pay to look at it? Or did the artist do what he intended and be seen by as many people as possible.

As an ex film maker I like to think I made movies for the art and not the paycheck.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
reply to Trencher
You have got to be kidding. Is this really how pirates think and justify what they do. Absolutely hysterical.

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
Digital socialism... Isn't it grand!?

Do you work in the industry or do you just like the smell of your own farts?

Trencher

join:2007-02-12
Etobicoke, ON
reply to ITALIAN926
Facts tend to lean in my favor... Us "pirates" spend more money in the entertainment/digital industry then those who don't.

serge87

join:2009-11-29
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
said by Trencher:

Facts tend to lean in my favor... Us "pirates" spend more money in the entertainment/digital industry then those who don't.

QFT!

I know he probably won't respond to this post but here's some good reading:

Dear RIAA: Pirates Buy More. Full Stop. Deal With It.

Another Day, Another Study That Says 'Pirates' Are The Best Customers... This Time From HADOPI

Music pirates spend more on music than their legal, law-abiding brethren

Go Figure: UK movie pirates spend more at the box office than non-pirates

Interesting how that works out

gruntlord6

join:2010-06-10
Barrie, ON
reply to ITALIAN926
said by ITALIAN926:

He's not

You lose all credibility when you refuse to back your arguments.

gruntlord6

join:2010-06-10
Barrie, ON
reply to ITALIAN926
said by ITALIAN926:

Wow, I spend about $5000 a year in gasoline, thanks for telling me that logically I should be able to fill up and run off without paying; on occasion. I'll use your logic as my defense when I get caught.

None of that was related to the discussion. You are an idiot