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Camelot One
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reply to ITALIAN926

Re: Vicious circle

said by ITALIAN926:

Tired of the underlying message of endorsing piracy, on almost every headline.

Then stop reading them.

The point he is trying to make, over, and over, and over again, is that content companies are DRIVING people to piracy with this kind of crap.

ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
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Bullshit ! Stop breaking the damn law. HBO isnt breaking any laws by running their business how they see fit. You cant, and DONT compete with FREE.

"Give us your product for PENNIES or we'll just shoplift it anyway." What kind of crap is that? Seriously.



Scatcatpdx
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join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
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reply to Camelot One

said by Camelot One:

said by ITALIAN926:

Tired of the underlying message of endorsing piracy, on almost every headline.

Then stop reading them.

The point he is trying to make, over, and over, and over again, is that content companies are DRIVING people to piracy with this kind of crap.

What you are saying as if the Auto industry jacks up the cost of cars, one is justify to steal a car.

Like other If I do not like the cost or lock up, I do not have to subscribe, I can us alternatives like Netflix wait for the dvd or just read a book.
What needs to happen is more people stop subscribing not more threatening blackmail by piracy.


Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
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reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

You cant, and DONT compete with FREE.

Netflix would seem to prove otherwise.

ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:1

Wow, free Netflix, can you provide a subscription link for me?



BF69
Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

said by ITALIAN926:

Wow, free Netflix, can you provide a subscription link for me?

I know you can read and understand context, so do it.


Camelot One
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Greenwood, IN
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reply to Scatcatpdx
No, what I am saying is than when everyone owns a BluRay player and an HDTV, you sell them BluRays. If you insist on only selling crippled VHS, they will look for other ways to obtain BluRay.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
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reply to BF69
Got it. NO Netflix isnt competing with FREE. Netflix is competing with the MSO's product. Big difference.



BF69
Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

reply to Scatcatpdx
I don't think you can equate grand theft auto to pirating HBO. How about this. Most people wouldn't steal bread. if the bread makers up the cost of bread by 5X for really no reason then I suspect you would see many normally honest people stealing bread. Is it right? No. But you treat people in a way they see as unfair they will justify their actions.

Sure HBO has a right to do whatever they want. However sometimes being right isn't worth the cost.



Camelot One
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Greenwood, IN
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reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

Lost me there BF

His point seemed pretty clear to me. He is willing to pay the $15 a month fee for HBO, just not the $60 a month cable subscription just for the ability to pay another $15 for HBO. Sell him HBO directly for $15, and he will buy.

That business model makes perfect sense. You get someone like Google to build a net player that "tunes" the various networks just like a TV, and let people subscribe to the ones they want. The only reason that isn't happening is that the content companies and the cable companies are all intertwined.


BF69
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

Got it. NO Netflix isnt competing with FREE. Netflix is competing with the MSO's. Big difference.

Since Netflix has emerged people pirate less. FACT.


Scatcatpdx
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reply to Camelot One
Again taking your example if a company sells only Crippled VHS dose not gave the right to knowing buy a bootleg BluRay (by the way will be a crippled VHS in you example or made form a miss-appropriated theater copy of the movie) or shop lift the VHS.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
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reply to BF69
Citation?



Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
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reply to Scatcatpdx

said by Scatcatpdx:

Again taking your example if a company sells only Crippled VHS dose not gave the right to knowing buy a bootleg BluRay (by the way will be a crippled VHS in you example or made form a miss-appropriated theater copy of the movie) or shop lift the VHS.

I never suggested it was "right", just that this type of thinking encourages people to do it.
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slckusr
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reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

Citation?

I do


BF69
Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN

reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

Citation?

According to a publication of internet research company Sandvine, Netflix is helping to fight piracy. Sandvine researched global internet traffic and noticed that torrent traffic decreases when the traffic generated by Netflix increases.

»www.myce.com/news/netflix-respon···c-64722/

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

reply to ITALIAN926
I want to rent or buy everything legally. However, I have come across quite a bit of content that I can't get legally, so I looking at getting a VPN account to download it over bittorrent anonymously.


TheMG
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join:2007-09-04
Canada
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reply to Camelot One

said by Camelot One:

His point seemed pretty clear to me. He is willing to pay the $15 a month fee for HBO, just not the $60 a month cable subscription just for the ability to pay another $15 for HBO. Sell him HBO directly for $15, and he will buy.

That is an excellent point.

Personally I will NEVER subscribe to a streaming service that also requires me to subscribe to traditional TV (satellite/cable). That completely defeats the purpose of internet streaming in the first place, which is to dump traditional TV in favor of a service that is more portable, flexible, and on-demand.

Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ

said by TheMG:

said by Camelot One:

His point seemed pretty clear to me. He is willing to pay the $15 a month fee for HBO, just not the $60 a month cable subscription just for the ability to pay another $15 for HBO. Sell him HBO directly for $15, and he will buy.

That is an excellent point.

Personally I will NEVER subscribe to a streaming service that also requires me to subscribe to traditional TV (satellite/cable). That completely defeats the purpose of internet streaming in the first place, which is to dump traditional TV in favor of a service that is more portable, flexible, and on-demand.

The funny thing is for HBO, They would not lose any revenue if people cut the cord and bought HBO Go instead. HBO is already a premium channel that people pay around $15 for on top of their cable bill.
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crypt0

join:2012-12-22
Edmonton, AB

reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

Bullshit ! Stop breaking the damn law.

You are the bullshiter.

17 U.S.C. § 107
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