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mb

join:2000-07-23
Washington, NJ
Reviews:
·Comcast
·Verizon Online DSL

He's the boss...

"when it came time to figure out how much it was going to charge for satellite service, Ergen went into his office and came up with the final number alone"

This I like! I save a few dollars a month for a similar package with Dish over my previous provider Direct...

Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
at the cost of all of the NY RSN channels.


sleuth
Premium
join:2001-08-30
West Des Moines, IA
reply to mb
said by mb:

"when it came time to figure out how much it was going to charge for satellite service, Ergen went into his office and came up with the final number alone"

This I like! I save a few dollars a month for a similar package with Dish over my previous provider Direct...

While I agree Dish is cheaper, I moved from Dish to DirecTV a couple years ago. I'm 100% more satisfied. Dish still used line of site back then, better video quality, and overall satisfaction with the customer service.

ncted

join:2010-10-25
Durham, NC
Reviews:
·Frontier Communi..
·Time Warner Cable
said by sleuth:

While I agree Dish is cheaper, I moved from Dish to DirecTV a couple years ago. I'm 100% more satisfied. Dish still used line of site back then, better video quality, and overall satisfaction with the customer service.

Line of sight is required for Directv as well, so I don't understand your comment.


sleuth
Premium
join:2001-08-30
West Des Moines, IA
said by ncted:

said by sleuth:

While I agree Dish is cheaper, I moved from Dish to DirecTV a couple years ago. I'm 100% more satisfied. Dish still used line of site back then, better video quality, and overall satisfaction with the customer service.

Line of sight is required for Directv as well, so I don't understand your comment.

Not for the HD dishes. I've been told by two different installers this is no longer an issue. Don't have to worry about any obstructions anymore.

Hanko

join:2001-12-28
Eatonville, WA
All satellite TV signals are still "Line of Sight" given the power levels at the receiving end. If you have trouble believing this try offsetting your dish by just 5 degree's in any direction and see if you have reception. Or try standing in front of the dish and see what happens.

The installers were probably indicating they did not have to be as precise at aligning the dish since the satellites are now transmitting at a higher power. This allows a greater range of misalignment but it does not mean you can have a building in the way. You won't be able to point your dish at a distant building and hope the reflection of the signal off of it will be enough to get service. You will still need line of sight.

ncted

join:2010-10-25
Durham, NC
Reviews:
·Frontier Communi..
·Time Warner Cable
reply to sleuth
said by sleuth:

said by ncted:

said by sleuth:

While I agree Dish is cheaper, I moved from Dish to DirecTV a couple years ago. I'm 100% more satisfied. Dish still used line of site back then, better video quality, and overall satisfaction with the customer service.

Line of sight is required for Directv as well, so I don't understand your comment.

Not for the HD dishes. I've been told by two different installers this is no longer an issue. Don't have to worry about any obstructions anymore.

Don't believe everything you are told. Also, Directv suffers from rain fade more than Dish due to its use of Ka band signals, so dish pointing IS still important for Directv customers.

rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
reply to sleuth
The wider HD dishes might be easier to align but obstructions are still a problem. While there are lots of factors as to why obstructions are still a problem, two seem to be on the short list:

1) The transmitters are ~25,000 miles above the equator. In free space (the vacuum of space), an RF signal degrades by 1/4 every time the distance doubles. Since the distance is significant, the signal is not very strong by the time it reaches a base station.
2) They use very high frequencies (above 10Ghz). In general, higher frequencies do not penetrate obstructions as easily as lower frequencies.

Big Dawg 23

join:2002-03-27
Northfield, MN
reply to sleuth
You were fed a line a BS. I have Directv, first its much better than Dish, but as for line of sight both require it. Obstruction like trees and leaves do in fact cause issues. I had Directv installed 4.5 years ago. Until my LNB just failed I had gone over year without an outage. The reason is a nice install in which they made sure no line of sight issues like swaying trees or roof peaks would cause issues.


cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7
reply to rradina
said by rradina:

The wider HD dishes might be easier to align but obstructions are still a problem.

The width of the dish has less to do with ease of alignment (or otherwise increasing signal strength). It's with allowing multiple satellites in different orbital locations to reflect their signal to one or more focal points close to each other in front of the dish. If it was about ease of alignment, then keeping the big ugly dishes of yesteryear would have made things even easier to align.


Direct Fan

@108.238.204.x
reply to mb
You need to ask them about their hd channels.....720p or 1080p, most are 720 my friend. Also they only offer 120HD channels; direct tv offers 185 plus they have 3D channels too. Ask them how many channels you actually get in your package after they dublicate standard def, high def, and spanish channels....ie ABC, NBC, and CBS. They also add their music channels when they claim your package has so many stations. Do they have the Genie? Do they have NFL Sunday Ticket or any other of the sports packs direct tv offers. NFL channel and some extra ESPN's is not considered an extra sports pack by direct tv. Oh and HD for life for free......ha, its included in your package price. DVR only works on two tv's too! Lets you record two shows at a time. D tv's genie does five shows at a time works on all tv's. Should I say more, cause I can? When are you dish network people going to compare apples to apples, admit direct tv is better, and admit the only reason you have dish network is because you didnt return that direct tv box when you were in college or you just cant pass the credit check!

Badonkadonk
Premium
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
kudos:5

1 recommendation

What equipment are you comparing of Dish's with DTVs? You should really compare the latest in Dish's if you are going to bring up the Genie.
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