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EUS
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[Serious] QC Dying with dignity

Now this is interesting.

The Quebec government says it will proceed with so-called "dying with dignity" legislation aimed at allowing doctors to help some terminally ill patients end their lives.
»www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/201···ity.html

I'm all for it. Pretending this does not occur all over the country right now, does injustice to those wishing to end their pain, and their doctors who have to hide, yet provide the "know how" to the families affected.
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dirtyjeffer
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i agree with this, provided safeguards are put in place and it is done properly (which i am sure it would be).



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said by dirtyjeffer:

i agree with this, provided safeguards are put in place and it is done properly (which i am sure it would be).

I agree.

I don't see why the feds are opposing this still... It should be a person's own right to choose if they wish to end their life in the safe and controlled environment of a specialist doctor.

People who are able to, commit various degrees of suicide all the time, for various reasons, and the people who suffer the most, bedridden hospital patients who suffer in agony until they eventually die are denied because of government BS.
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dirtyjeffer
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it could get complicated though...i was thinking about life insurance policies...i mean, i suppose you could still hang yourself, etc, but perhaps doctor assisted suicides would be easier, requiring more payouts??...i don't know, just thinking out loud here.



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As long as the Criminal Code section regarding aiding suicide (aka active euthanasia) is in place, it supersedes provincial law, including the administration of healthcare.

A province can't opt out of the Criminal code merely because it wants to, nor attempt to pass off doctors actively causing a patient's death as the "continuum of care". Using this logic, a terminally ill patient could ask to be shot as long as 2 doctors agree. Whatever the method used, the person is still dead by the wilful actions of another. That is illegal under the Criminal Code.

Humane does not mean legal in this context.
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said by EUS:

Pretending this does not occur all over the country right now, does injustice to those wishing to end their pain, and their doctors who have to hide, yet provide the "know how" to the families affected.

There are actually people in this forum who do indeed pretend it never happens. And if you look at the past few topics on this it especially never ever happens in Ontario. Ever.


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said by dirtyjeffer:

it could get complicated though...i was thinking about life insurance policies...i mean, i suppose you could still hang yourself, etc, but perhaps doctor assisted suicides would be easier, requiring more payouts??...i don't know, just thinking out loud here.

Standard clause is to pay-out after two years of signing the life insurance. If you off yourself before two years, no pay-out.


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said by standard :

said by dirtyjeffer:

it could get complicated though...i was thinking about life insurance policies...i mean, i suppose you could still hang yourself, etc, but perhaps doctor assisted suicides would be easier, requiring more payouts??...i don't know, just thinking out loud here.

Standard clause is to pay-out after two years of signing the life insurance. If you off yourself before two years, no pay-out.

That's correct.


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That's true. I wonder if it changes if it's Dr. assisted? Or simply would it be an assumption at time of buying insurance that this would not take place? I could see term-life insurance companies barring those who'd consider assisted suicide.
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If a person has a terminal disease or illness and is attempting to get coverage in all likelihood they will be out of luck, if they lie or fail to disclose an illness on the application its cause for the company to terminate the coverage. If a person had a history of suicide attempts, again they would have a hard time getting coverage.



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I seem to recall that in Japan suicide is an accepted form to get an insurance payout if the husband/father fails to provide for his family. Or at least that used to be the case.
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said by J E F F:

I seem to recall that in Japan suicide is an accepted form to get an insurance payout if the husband/father fails to provide for his family. Or at least that used to be the case.

They have a completely different culture toward suicide over there. I also don't think someone would be able to get a life insurance policy and then kill themselves the next day, even in Japan.


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said by J E F F:

That's true. I wonder if it changes if it's Dr. assisted? Or simply would it be an assumption at time of buying insurance that this would not take place? I could see term-life insurance companies barring those who'd consider assisted suicide.

I do believe precedent has already been set in Canada (or Quebec) that a terminally ill can cash out on some life insurance before death in certain circumstances. Recall a court decision on this. But it's been too long to recall all the details/specifics.

One can not tell if you are going to get pancreatic cancer 5 months after signing and given 3 months to live.

And if it's legal to do so in Quebec (and suicide is legal in Canada), and it's due to pain and suffering, I can see it happening. Ins. Co. will have no say. After-all, the outcome is inevitable.

But I would expect them to try and save a dollar and try to fight this, but in QC it wouldn't work if it becomes law. Which it will since they already do it.


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said by Gone:

They have a completely different culture toward suicide over there. I also don't think someone would be able to get a life insurance policy and then kill themselves the next day, even in Japan.

LOL indeed.
If one looks up the Titanic sinking and the one and only Japanese survivor and what he had to live with, you will see where they come from. The entire country was practically calling for this guy to kill himself as the honourable thing to do.

A little twisted.. but hey.. look it up for yourselves.


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said by digitalfutur:

As long as the Criminal Code section regarding aiding suicide (aka active euthanasia) is in place, it supersedes provincial law, including the administration of healthcare.

That's probably true, though it may be for the courts to clarify. In any case, it wouldn't be an issue if the federal government changed the Criminal Code.

said by HiVolt:

I don't see why the feds are opposing this still...

I do. The explanation, however, belongs in CanPol, where this issue has also been discussed (in connection with the case out in BC).