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MURICA

join:2013-01-03
reply to jasontaylor

Re: [HD] Is Verizon lying about HD?

Google Fiber is an example of doing it right. They carry the high definition feed, if there is one available, of every channel they carry. And their IPTV boxes support MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 so they do not re-encode anything at all. They just pass through what the network sends whether it's MPEG-2 or MPEG-4. They've got some HD rarities on that lineup like 3net, the C-SPANs, NASA, and Sprout because they have unlimited space.

Maybe Verizon should ask Google for some tips? Google has already stated that their goal with Google Fiber is not to dominate the entire American ISP industry but rather to force the current players to roll out FTTH. This is why they haven't been selecting Verizon FiOS territories.

I'm sure they'd be glad to help Verizon out as Verizon is the only one who has done what Google is wanting.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Reviews:
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Are you joking? Verizon has been doing FTTP for almost ten years, and they need to ask Google for advice? Lets be serious here.

Google has the luxury of using tech and infrastructure a decade more advanced. Big deal to what theyre doing in KC

Oh, and lets not forget that Google has like 200 TV subscribers. LOL .. tips.

jasontaylor

join:2010-11-17
Kensington, MD
reply to MURICA
"They've got some HD rarities on that lineup like 3net, the C-SPANs, NASA, and Sprout because they have unlimited space."

This thread is making me more and more upset at vz. I used to work at nasa. The point, at least for my area, was to get *good* pictures of stuff in space using space telescopes. Do analysis of pics, etc. And now, it's given back to the masses in low def? It's a little ironic. Ticks me off. How's pizza in kansas?


kennedyspace

@verizon.net
low def? what is that? i know about standard def and high def. can anyone get jobs at nasa? even if you have no technical skills?

said by jasontaylor:

"They've got some HD rarities on that lineup like 3net, the C-SPANs, NASA, and Sprout because they have unlimited space."

This thread is making me more and more upset at vz. I used to work at nasa. The point, at least for my area, was to get *good* pictures of stuff in space using space telescopes. Do analysis of pics, etc. And now, it's given back to the masses in low def? It's a little ironic. Ticks me off. How's pizza in kansas?



DrDrew
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reply to jasontaylor
said by jasontaylor:

Do analysis of pics, etc. And now, it's given back to the masses in low def? It's a little ironic.

Many of the NASA pics I can download off their website are well above HD resolution of 1080x1920... so HD wouldn't do it justice.

NASA is nice enough to stream all of their channels (they have more than one) content and more from their website, not much of a need for a dedicated TV channel much less three.

It's ala carte IPTV and accessible from any internet provider for free.
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MURICA

join:2013-01-03
Internet streaming video really isn't up to par with a proper HDTV feed.

said by ITALIAN926:

Are you joking? Verizon has been doing FTTP for almost ten years, and they need to ask Google for advice? Lets be serious here.

Google has the luxury of using tech and infrastructure a decade more advanced. Big deal to what theyre doing in KC

Oh, and lets not forget that Google has like 200 TV subscribers. LOL .. tips.

Clearly, they do need Google's advice. Verizon's speeds are pretty sad for a fiber product. Every other fiber to the home service around the developed world was doing symmetrical 100 Mbps by the mid-2000s; now the majority of FTTH projects are able to deliver symmetrical 1 Gbps. 1 Gbps fiber like Google Fiber is common in Japan & South Korea.

Verizon FiOS has been a consistently subpar fiber product when compared to the fiber projects launched by other companies and foreign governments.

Verizon's TV service needs a complete overhaul because it just isn't up to snuff. It's not taking advantage of fiber's capacity. Duplicating all the limitations of copper cable over fiber optic wire is a sad state of affairs here in the year 2013.

I like FiOS. It's definitely ahead of the rest of its American competition. But it is still under-performing due to mismanagement on Verizon's part.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Wow, you should apply for CEO, and hop in your time machine while youre at it.


bohratom
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join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ
reply to MURICA
said by MURICA:

Google Fiber is an example of doing it right.

Doing it right?

Guess U never heard of sports channels that 50% of viewers appreciate....
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lfisk

@verizon.net
reply to DrDrew

Re: [HD] Is Verizon lying about HD?

said by DrDrew:

said by jasontaylor:

Do analysis of pics, etc. And now, it's given back to the masses in low def? It's a little ironic.

Many of the NASA pics I can download off their website are well above HD resolution of 1080x1920... so HD wouldn't do it justice.

NASA is nice enough to stream all of their channels (they have more than one) content and more from their website, not much of a need for a dedicated TV channel much less three.

It's ala carte IPTV and accessible from any internet provider for free.

thanks dr drew for the nasa info. you know about stuff on their website and former employees don't. how ironic. how's the pizza in houston?


cough23

@verizon.net
reply to MURICA
said by MURICA:

I like FiOS. It's definitely ahead of the rest of its American competition. But it is still under-performing due to mismanagement on Verizon's part.

a business just needs to be ahead of its competition and profitable. is it better than most yes. does it have room for improvement? yes. but key is that its better than comcast and time warner and cablevision so stop complaining.

JackBauer

join:2006-08-24
Schenectady, NY

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reply to MURICA
said by MURICA:

I like FiOS. It's definitely ahead of the rest of its American competition. But it is still under-performing due to mismanagement on Verizon's part.

Mismanagement, I don't think that's the right word here.

They have to be practical in implementation.

I think everyone would agree their holy grail is IPTV, but it takes time to get there - they do not have infinite resources. Google does, especially when they are cherry picking just a handful of areas to drive competition.

VZ, even though FIOS is not across their whole footprint, has to be practiced in their funding of the product. It is NOT making them the ROI that investments in wireless is making... And if they are not practiced, their (larger) shareholders will exercise their rights to be heard and complain about the comparably poor ROI and ROE.

VZ was very brave for offering FIOS and should be congratulated... No, actually they should be celebrated for continuing to invest in the product, and doing so in a smart way, even as wireless technologies are driving capabilities and profits that far exceed what was expected when FIOS was unveiled.


PhoenixDown
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join:2003-06-08
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said by JackBauer:

VZ was very brave for offering FIOS and should be congratulated... No, actually they should be celebrated for continuing to invest in the product, and doing so in a smart way, even as wireless technologies are driving capabilities and profits that far exceed what was expected when FIOS was unveiled.

Not just that but FIOS offers a full featured product set that many of my friends love and they find it surpasses the value and offerings of their local cable company.

Would I love 1 gig symmetrical speeds for $20 a month? Of course -- but that doesn't make it practical. The current packages are a good mix of price and performance. As needs change, the network and packages will evolve with it.
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MURICA

join:2013-01-03
reply to cough23
said by cough23 :

said by MURICA:

I like FiOS. It's definitely ahead of the rest of its American competition. But it is still under-performing due to mismanagement on Verizon's part.

a business just needs to be ahead of its competition and profitable. is it better than most yes. does it have room for improvement? yes. but key is that its better than comcast and time warner and cablevision so stop complaining.

Except... it's not. Verizon FiOS is not ahead of the competition, at least, not in every sector. Verizon FiOS's HD channel lineup is utterly pathetic compared to Time Warner's.

And Verizon has let their FiOS Internet speeds stagnate so much that Comcast is now able to match their highest speed tier on the download side. That's just sad. Copper cable outdoing fiber optics in ANY category - is not something that should be happening.

said by JackBauer:

I think everyone would agree their holy grail is IPTV, but it takes time to get there - they do not have infinite resources. Google does, especially when they are cherry picking just a handful of areas to drive competition.

Why is it that AT&T was able to bust out IPTV with ease on their shitty U-verse project? Why is it that every local municipal fiber project like Chattanooga's EPB has an all-IPTV system but a multi-billion dollar corporation like Verizon is struggling so much to accomplish it?

knarf829

join:2007-06-02
kudos:1
said by MURICA:

Why is it that AT&T was able to bust out IPTV with ease on their shitty U-verse project?

I think the question and answer are both in the same sentence there. Was it really "busted out" with "ease" if it turned out "shitty?"

Verizon didn't want to release a "shitty" product. They wanted wide release of a product that could quickly be adopted by a wide range of users that they had some chance of making money on.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

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reply to MURICA
quote:
And Verizon has let their FiOS Internet speeds stagnate so much that Comcast is now able to match their highest speed tier on the download side. That's just sad. Copper cable outdoing fiber optics in ANY category - is not something that should be happening.

WRONG, Verizon has a 300Mbps speed, Comcast (or any cable co) DOES NOT over Coax. Guess what? Comcast 300Mbps is being offered over FIBER, and involves a $500 install fee, and is not available everywhere. Pay attention to the headlines man.
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MURICA

join:2013-01-03
reply to knarf829

Re: [HD] Is Verizon lying about HD?

said by knarf829:

said by MURICA:

Why is it that AT&T was able to bust out IPTV with ease on their shitty U-verse project?

I think the question and answer are both in the same sentence there. Was it really "busted out" with "ease" if it turned out "shitty?"

Verizon didn't want to release a "shitty" product. They wanted wide release of a product that could quickly be adopted by a wide range of users that they had some chance of making money on.

AT&T's IPTV is only "shitty" because it's running on copper.

If Verizon had the IPTV system AT&T is using they would be leaving cable providers in the dust.

I've used AT&T's U-verse TV product. Aside from the ridiculous limitations like shit picture quality and a limited number of simultaneous HD streams that come with AT&T's half-assing their network and only going fiber to the node, U-verse's IPTV based system is superior to FiOS TV in every way.

said by JackBauer:

said by Greg2600:

MURICA doesn't seem to get the concept of ROI, Return on Investment.

There are a lot of idealists out there...

It explains a lot that is happening in this country right now. A large portion of the electorate are looking at things as to how they should be as opposed to what is reasonably possible.

No, it's this attitude right here that is the reason why the American empire is in decline.

I remember when this country actually built things. Impressive projects, like the Hoover Dam.

Now everyone is content to sit in mediocrity. Nothing gets accomplished anymore. Everything is half-assed. The World Trade Center STILL isn't rebuilt despite being under construction for 11 years. Meanwhile, Dubai completed the world's tallest skyscraper in a period of six years.

JackBauer

join:2006-08-24
Schenectady, NY
said by MURICA:

I've used AT&T's U-verse TV product. Aside from the ridiculous limitations like shit picture quality and a limited number of simultaneous HD streams that come with AT&T's half-assing their network and only going fiber to the node, U-verse's IPTV based system is superior to FiOS TV in every way.

Aside from dying, jumping out of an airplane without a parachute is freaking awesome.

I don't mean to be disrespectful but your statement above is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen posted here. You'd have to be insane to chose U-Verse over FIOS if both were in your area, and the price was the same.

MURICA

join:2013-01-03
If U-verse was a fiber-to-the-home product like FiOS is, I would pick AT&T and their IPTV system over Verizon and their QAM system any day.

JackBauer

join:2006-08-24
Schenectady, NY
said by MURICA:

If U-verse was a fiber-to-the-home product like FiOS is, I would pick AT&T and their IPTV system over Verizon and their QAM system any day.

But it's not, and never ever will be.

I'd like IPTV too, but you're being unreasonable to expect VZ to just toss everything they have in their RF plant across all VHO's and replace it with a full IPTV solution today.

Look, I want it too. I am just pragmatic and understand that it is going to take time for them to phase it in.

I think VZ wants it badly too - alleviates their RF congestion, and potentially offers a lot of revenue streams in intelligent TV marketing. I think there has to be a ton of potential profit in there actually... Another example might be program subscriptions instead of channel subscriptions. Maybe someone won't pay $15/month for HBO, but would pay $5/month for Game of Thrones?

I assume these are things VZ has to be thinking about, and IPTV is probably a much better solution for a wide range of product offerings.

I think a better complaint here isn't that it isn't IPTV today, but that VZ hasn't given any hints on how they plan to transition. Are they making any progress, etc... When the first test market will be in place, etc...

PJL

join:2008-07-24
Long Beach, CA
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reply to MURICA
FiOS has an IPTV function in place right now -- it's called -- so they know how to do it. It just needs to be significantly scaled up. U-verse chose copper delivery to the home because it was cheap, and it had to be IPTV because QAM delivery over their existing copper plant would not work -- it's just a DSL variation. But their solution has very low bandwidth capacity to the home. People rarely complain about the overall picture quality of FiOS (except for specific channels like AMC, which is not a FiOS responsibility), but that's not the case for U-verse.
I suspect MPEG4 will be the norm on FiOS in the not-to-distant future. If they add HD content, and you don't have an MPEG4-capable STB, you'll be offered the chance to upgrade, but probably at the same cost to you as swapping STBs now. Or with the eventual FiOS Media Server, some subscribers will move to that and return their 7XXX STBs, which would allow redeployment to the 6XXX users. But clearly, ALL IN THE FUTURE.

jasontaylor

join:2010-11-17
Kensington, MD

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reply to kennedyspace
@kennedyspace Thanks for pointing out that there is no such thing as low def. From now on I'll try to remember to call it standard def.

"can anyone get jobs at nasa?"

I don't care if anyone is for or against them, but, FYI, in case anyone cares, as compared to all other agencies and branches I think I know about (DOD, Commerce, HHS [i.e. NIH], DOE, DE, Justice, a few others) Nasa is BY FAR the best, least red tape, least bs, most selective, least corrupt, most honest, etc. If you randomly plucked nasa employees, and randomly shoved them into the corruptible top govt jobs, I suspect a lot of issues in the world would disappear.


spikey301

@verizon.net
said by jasontaylor:

@kennedyspace Thanks for pointing out that there is no such thing as low def. From now on I'll try to remember to call it standard def.

"can anyone get jobs at nasa?"

I don't care if anyone is for or against them, but, FYI, in case anyone cares, as compared to all other agencies and branches I think I know about (DOD, Commerce, HHS [i.e. NIH], DOE, DE, Justice, a few others) Nasa is BY FAR the best, least red tape, least bs, most selective, least corrupt, most honest, etc. If you randomly plucked nasa employees, and randomly shoved them into the corruptible top govt jobs, I suspect a lot of issues in the world would disappear.

what if u pluck nasa person and put them as fios engineer what can they do?

jasontaylor

join:2010-11-17
Kensington, MD

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"what if u pluck nasa person and put them as fios engineer what can they do?"

Well, my assertion (that it isn't a fiscal issue) has been disputed, but what is undisputed, and which this thread nicely proved, is that it isn't a serious technology problem (like violating niquist's theorem or anything).

Therefore, it all depends on how much rank you gave em. if they had rank above the old vz "engineers" and the mgmt, imo within 60 days fios users could upgrade to a system without any sd. (Even sd-sourced crap would be upconverted to 1080p). Actually, to be more accurate, they'd probably let users edit their own .ini scripts selecting arbitrary resolutions going up to new 4K tvs. It might be hard to use. (The remotes might have 4x more buttons, each of which might be a different glow-in-dark flashing color.) The manual for the remote would be at least 100 pages, but it would be programmable to cook the turkeys in the kitchen oven.

That said, this itself is impossible, since almost none of them would ever want to work for a for-profit company. (It's against their religion.) You'd have to put guns to their heads, and, even then, some would still refuse to leave nasa.


DrDrew
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said by jasontaylor:

Therefore, it all depends on how much rank you gave em. if they had rank above the old vz "engineers," and the mgmt, imo within 60 days fios users could upgrade to a system without any sd. (Even sd-sourced crap would be upconverted to 1080p).

Verizon engineers could upgrade the system to all HD in 60 days too, with unlimited funds, no FCC regulations, and no regard for customer satisfaction.

Unlike NASA, Verizon actually has to make money not just be a money pit.
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