 graysonfPremium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Alan Cox Calls Fedora 18 "The Worst Red Hat Distro" See the article for what he really thinks.
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 RyanPremium
join:2001-03-03
Quincy, MA | Re: Alan Cox Calls Fedora 18 "The Worst Red Hat Distro" Yea, I went through one of the worst upgrade experiences I think I have ever had, or at least have had in a long time. With that said after my work desktop was made unbootable I did a fresh install and even then just starting fedora took forever. Enough was enough and switched over to kubuntu + kde backports. I am pretty happy for now anyway. |
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 rexbinaryMod KingPremium
join:2005-01-26
Plano, TX
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I am installing it in a VM right now first to see how it installs and runs. This is the first time I have not just cleaned installed on my main Fedora machines the latest version with no looking back. I can say so far I am in the crowd that doesn't like the new installer at all. It's possible I may skip this release for 19, we'll see how it goes though.
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graysonfPremium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL | Smart move on the VM. |
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 koitsuPremium,MVM
join:2002-07-16
Mountain View, CA
kudos:19 | reply to graysonf
I found irony in the fact that the same man who's bitching about Red Hat distros worked there for 10 years (until 2009); ouroboros, if you will.
No, I'm not saying he's just sore at his old employer. I'm saying there's a fairly good chance he probably had some say in thing X or thing Y while there, especially given how long he's been involved in the Linux kernel. And yeah, a distro consists of a lot more than just a kernel, but if the kernel developers don't like a distro, they're the ones who are most likely to put pressure on the underlying devs to do something about whatever is broken or badly designed.
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 nwrickertsand groperPremium,MVM
join:2004-09-04
Geneva, IL
kudos:7
·AT&T U-Verse
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I installed Fedora 18 yesterday.
The new installer sucks.
That might be the last time I ever do a test install of Fedora.
For example, I downloaded that big DVD image to use in the install. Then I installed Fedora KDE. I'm pretty sure that firefox is somewhere on that install DVD, but there was no way to select it for installing.
I gave my computer a hostname during the install. But it isn't that hostname. It is using a somewhat random hostname provided by my router over DHCP. I haven't been able to find where to change it.
Biggest problem of all - I have opensuse on the same computer. After installing Fedora 18, my opensuse was inaccessible. Sure, I knew how to get it back, but the installer shouldn't do that to me.
I'm tempted to call the "the ubuntufication of Fedora."
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 MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL | said by nwrickert:I'm pretty sure that firefox is somewhere on that install DVD, but there was no way to select it for installing.
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I gave my computer a hostname during the install. But it isn't that hostname.
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Biggest problem of all - I have opensuse on the same computer. After installing Fedora 18, my opensuse was inaccessible.
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I'm tempted to call the "the ubuntufication of Fedora." Huh? None of those problems exist in an Ubuntu install. Firefox is installed by default, the hostname you select is used, and all other installed OSes are detected and immediately bootable into after the installation is finished.
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graysonfPremium,MVM
join:1999-07-16
Fort Lauderdale, FL | reply to graysonf
Well, it didn't stop with AC bitching out Fedora:
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MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL | reply to graysonf
I couldn't get it to install on VirtualBox 4.2.6. It tried to start and then said "Oh No! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please contact a system administrator." |
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nwrickertsand groperPremium,MVM
join:2004-09-04
Geneva, IL
kudos:7 Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
| said by Maxo:I couldn't get it to install on VirtualBox 4.2.6. It tried to start and then said "Oh No! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please contact a system administrator."
I had something similar when installing to a real machine.
An early screen listed two network interfaces, and said that I needed one for updates. So I selected the wifi interface. Then it presented a screen for me to enter the SSID and key. While I was typing in the SSID it crashed with a message similar to what you describe.
I plugged in an ethernet cable, and restarted the install. I didn't even get that screen. Presumably, it was happy with the ethernet connection.
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 chrisretusnRetiredPremium
join:2007-08-13
Philippines
kudos:1
1 edit | reply to nwrickert
I just installed the KDE version, Firefox is not part of the install. You have to install it via Software Management. My install on an Sony Vaio laptop went OK though it was painfully slow particularly after the install and installing the 300+ updates.
I also installed the standard GNOME 3 version on the same laptop, that install went OK too.
Both installs use the whole laptop, no other OS install, gave Fedora the whole enchilada. 
So far I wouldn't call it the worst but it definitely is not the best. I am probably not going to stay with it on that laptop.
Edit: Forgot to mention these were 64-bit versions of Fedora.
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chrisretusnRetiredPremium
join:2007-08-13
Philippines
kudos:1 | reply to Maxo
I got both the KDE and GNOME 3 Fedora 18's to install on VirtualBox with no problems. I did up the memory from the default 768 to 2048 and made the hard drive 16G instead of 8GB. With the GNOME install I kept the default NAT, with KDE I went with Bridged.
Edit: Forgot to mention these were 64-bit versions of Fedora.
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nwrickertsand groperPremium,MVM
join:2004-09-04
Geneva, IL
kudos:7 Reviews:
·AT&T U-Verse
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said by chrisretusn:I just installed the KDE version, Firefox is not part of the install. You have to install it via Software Management.
Yes, that works and I have already done it. But it should be selectable as part of the original install.
I then setup "sshd_config" to only allow public-key authentication. Then, when I tried to login, I discovered that SELinux is blocking access to 'ssh/authorized_keys'. Yes, the message says how to change that. But it is a ridiculous default setting.
I installed "ecryptfs". After my next login, I checked, and the ecryptfs private directory was not mounted. It seems that SELinux is blocking that, too. The command "ecryptfs-mount-private" does work, but the attempt to do that via PAM is failing and generating SELinux messages.
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Quck screenshot |
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Holy WinDoze... 200MB update ... with a mandatory reboot. |
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 spacce
join:2001-10-20
Mobile, AL | reply to graysonf
i installed it a few days ago and the installing was "bulky" in my opinion.. of course though i haven't installed previous versions or CentOS , but I did not like the install at all.. though.. |
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rexbinaryMod KingPremium
join:2005-01-26
Plano, TX Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
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said by nwrickert:said by chrisretusn:I just installed the KDE version, Firefox is not part of the install. You have to install it via Software Management.
Yes, that works and I have already done it. But it should be selectable as part of the original install. Firefox was available for me at install, but I also enabled network install. I always do this when I install Fedora so I don't have to patch afterwards.
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MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL | reply to chrisretusn
said by chrisretusn:I got both the KDE and GNOME 3 Fedora 18's to install on VirtualBox with no problems. It must be something specific with my work laptop. I gave it 2 gigs of RAM, 64 mega of video ram, and 40G of hard drive space all on the latest release of Virtualbox, 4.2.6. This is a 64-bit machine with a quad-core Intel I7 processor and virtualization turned on in the bios. The host OS is Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit.
I'm going to try again on my home PC. |
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rexbinaryMod KingPremium
join:2005-01-26
Plano, TX Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
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Well after installing it into a VM I didn't have any real issues at all other then I just dislike the installer. This weekend I'll update my Netbook from 17 to 18 and see how it goes. Clean install of course, retaining my home directory. Fedora has never been a disto you simply upgrade.
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chrisretusnRetiredPremium
join:2007-08-13
Philippines
kudos:1 | reply to nwrickert
said by nwrickert:said by chrisretusn:I just installed the KDE version, Firefox is not part of the install. You have to install it via Software Management.
Yes, that works and I have already done it. But it should be selectable as part of the original install. Why? The only browser I prefer is Firefox and yes I was was annoyed that Firefox was not available but, it is Fedora KDE and KDE comes with Konqueror. Now on the GNOME install, Firefox is installed as your default browser.
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