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 | said by seamore:and that's all i have to say about that. Doesn't mean the goverment should need all your personal emails. |
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 easoninRock Ridge, FL join:2008-07-08 | Exactly. And, if you don't exercise your rights, you'll lose them. Difficult to do in this case, but just as important. We all need to stand up together against this, even if you do feel the way you do because sooner or later, they'll come after something you do want to protect and there will be no one left to stand with you. Or whatever Niemöller said! -- You should vote for the Colostomy Bag that I'm voting for! This one appears to be better than that other one! |
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| reply to seamore said by seamore:I've got nothing to hide
and that's all i have to say about that. Then what's your Social Security Number?
and that's all i have to ask about that. |
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 Duramax08Win8 sucksPremium join:2008-08-03 San Antonio, TX | you'll need a warrant for that.
/sarcasm -- »mc-buildville.enjin.com/ |
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| said by Duramax08:you'll need a warrant for that.
/sarcasm Or invoke the T or P words. (terrorist, pedophile)
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| reply to easonin lol, so what are you hiding then? seriously, if you arent hiding anything like child porn, terrorist activities or company espionage, theres nothing to worry about. you sound like they are going to sell your info to a third party or something. they are only asking for these request probably for some type on investigation going on that could lead to criminal charges.
or maybe they want to know what kind of toilet paper you buy off of amazon? : P -- »mc-buildville.enjin.com/ |
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 easoninRock Ridge, FL join:2008-07-08 | The thing to worry about is where does this end? Or rather, what will be next? If we let this happen, what else would YOU let them do and "not worry about"? That's the concern. And besides, we all know there are safer ways to hide stuff from "them", no matter who they are! -- You should vote for the Colostomy Bag that I'm voting for! This one appears to be better than that other one! |
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 | reply to seamore What baffles me is that the NRA and the Right are up in "ARMS" about gun laws, but mum on the Patriot Act, FISA, Warrantless Wiretaps, Facility being built in Bluffdale, Utah to data mine our lives, etc.
As a country, I think Americans are single tracked. While the tech savvy amongst us understand the intrusion, the general populous is too oblivious. They choose to neither question nor complain about the loss of freedoms. To exacerbate the mess is many huge corporations behind the collusion are also in charge of our Media. Cox, Time Warner, etc etc. Thus, very little press time is given.
Ultimately, we have the country united around guns but not united around the fundamental gutting of our constitutional rights. |
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 easoninRock Ridge, FL join:2008-07-08 | Very good points! I'd like you to check out »www.gunsandweed.com/ , parallels what your saying to a degree.
"Guns and Weed: The Road to Freedom shows, in no uncertain terms, why Freedom of Ingestion and the Right to Keep and Bear Arms are equally indisputable civil rights, and why the War on Drugs and the War on Guns are both entirely immoral." -- You should vote for the Colostomy Bag that I'm voting for! This one appears to be better than that other one! |
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 | reply to gruntlord6 said by gruntlord6:said by seamore:and that's all i have to say about that. Doesn't mean the goverment should need all your personal emails. Believe me, they wont find anything exciting. People should worry about things that MATTER. |
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 | reply to praetoralpha said by praetoralpha:said by seamore:I've got nothing to hide
and that's all i have to say about that. Then what's your Social Security Number? and that's all i have to ask about that. LOL, dont be stupid. |
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 | reply to gruntlord6 said by gruntlord6:said by seamore:and that's all i have to say about that. Doesn't mean the goverment should need all your personal emails. Im more bothered by my info being collected by a corporation and sold to the highest bidder. |
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| reply to Duramax08 said by Duramax08:lol, so what are you hiding then? seriously, if you arent hiding anything like child porn, terrorist activities or company espionage, theres nothing to worry about. The concern here isn't whether or not one has anything to hide.
It's whether or not a government constrained by a social contract known as the Constitution and its various amendments continues to act within the confines of those supposed constraints. Unfortunately it does not, and has not for quite some time.
said by Fourth Amendment :The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. The portion of the Fourth Amendment relevant to our discussion is in bold above. Note that there are no "except if it's more convenient to do otherwise" or "except if the current administration doesn't like it" exceptions spelled out anywhere.
If, as some will undoubtedly argue, "times change" or "nobody could have foreseen a need", then our Founding Fathers did build outline a method of updating the government's contract with its people: a Constitutional Convention. Rather than secretly doing things by dark of night under clouds of suspicion with barely legal (and somewhat illegal) methods, our government should at least attack our rights out in the open and tell us that it intends to take them away. I'd rather that the First, Second, Fourth, and Fifth Amendments die a heroic death out in the open than be shredded by a bunch of wimpy bureaucrats and die of a thousand paper cuts.
We have a government that's out of control, not operating within the scope of its legal authority, and some citizens find that acceptable. I guess that President Reagan was right when he said that freedom is always only one generation away from death. It's too bad that it has to be the current generation that wants to kill it in the names of "safety and security", "political correctness", "fairness", or whatever other nonsense they want to call it today. |
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 | reply to seamore Well, weren't you the one that said you have nothing to hide? LOL |
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| reply to easonin I'll agree 100% about the guns, but only 50% about the drugs. Firearms ownership is a right specifically granted to us; consumption of specific substances is not.
That being said, I wouldn't have an issue with laws that treated marijuana on par with alcohol and other substances. Allow personal consumption up to a point (as this consumption doesn't hurt anyone but the consumer), and disallow certain activities (such as driving, operating heavy machinery, etc.) while under its influence to prevent others from being hurt. |
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 | reply to Androidian said by Androidian:Well, weren't you the one that said you have nothing to hide? LOL I was talking about nothing to hide when it comes to breaking any law or engaging in any nefarious activity. Anyway, the government already has my SS number  |
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 firephotoFacts hurtPremium join:2003-03-18 Brewster, WA | reply to Duramax08
Re: I've got nothing to hide said by Duramax08:lol, so what are you hiding then?
... or company espionage, theres nothing to worry about.
You included the primary target of allowable snooping by accident.
The greatest ideas that result in the biggest profits are most always taken from someone else, by various means.
Do you seriously think all these multi-billion dollar corporations who roll over on their back when it comes to data privacy are doing it in the name of patriotism? They allow it because it gives them a free get out of jail ticket when they can just say the data they may or may not of seen was also seen by the gov't so "anyone" could of seen it or given it away so they shouldn't be liable for all the money they may or may not have made from seeing it or using it.
But yea, what I had for dinner and where I bought a pack of gum is "nothing to hide" so who cares... -- Say no to astroturfing. actions > Ignore Author |
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