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clone

join:2000-12-11
Portage, IN

2 recommendations

I enjoy sports...

As do most "average joe" pay TV subscribers. The people who post on these forums that have no interest in sports are the minority, and that's why sports networks are always included in basic cable.

I have no problem with the providers charging you guys less for packages without sports, but charging ME more for something I've always received isn't progress, it's a rate hike.


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO

I can't speak for everyone as you can, but I can say that sports networks are NOT included in the basic because everyone wants them.

They are included because the content owners require it.


eco
Premium
join:2001-11-28
Wilmington, DE
reply to clone

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TheKrell

join:2003-12-07
Fairfax, VA

2 recommendations

reply to clone

said by clone:

I have no problem with the providers charging you guys less for packages without sports, but charging ME more for something I've always received isn't progress, it's a rate hike.

Of course it's a rate hike. How else are the MVPDs supposed to pay for all those grossly overpaid pituitary giants? What's new here is that the sports addicts get to pay for it all by themselves, rather than making everybody else pay too.


tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:4
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reply to clone

but you always received at that price because everyone got charged $5, if half drop it then your share become $10.
eventually it could lead to packages being much smaller group of channels bundled, and YOU might save by dropping say the cooking/home improvement channels, or kids channels, or woman's channels. It's as close to ala carte as you are likely to see in the near term.
Unfortunately, if tastes demand something out of each package at your house you will pay the max rate for everything.



Caddyroger
Premium
join:2001-06-11
To the west
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reply to clone

said by clone:

As do most "average joe" pay TV subscribers. The people who post on these forums that have no interest in sports are the minority, and that's why sports networks are always included in basic cable.

I have no problem with the providers charging you guys less for packages without sports, but charging ME more for something I've always received isn't progress, it's a rate hike.

I also enjoy sports so I should pay for it, why should my neighbors and my daughter pay for it. It should be in a separate tier for sports. If it sports then it goes into the sports trier no if or buts about it. If you do not want to extra then do not get it.
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clone

join:2000-12-11
Portage, IN

2 recommendations

reply to TheKrell

That's the problem, I'm not a sports addict. But there are a few games and matches here and there that interest me and the providers are just testing the waters to break out all "specialty" programming into packages that they can then charge a premium fee for on top of the basic rate. It's only supported on here and other geek sites because it's sports.

If the providers get their way, we will get a-la-carte just like we've been asking for, and it will look like this:

$50 Basic Service (includes NBC on Comcast, Public Access, QVC, HSN, C-SPAN 1-3, and the Smooth Jazz channel)

+$5 Cable "Starter" Package (USA, TBS, TNT, etc.)
+$5 Local Channel Fee
+10 Sports Network Fee
+$5 Kids Entertainment Package (Nick, Cartoon Network, Disney, etc.)
+$5 History and Science Channels Package (History, Discovery, etc.)
+$5 Music and Specialty Channels Package (MTV, etc.)
+$5 Commercial Movie Channel Package (TCM, AMC, etc.)

Look at the bargains we get with a-la-carte!! It's now $90 for what we used to get for $50! What Savings...now can I sign up for a tiered data plan, too, so I can save even more money??

When dealing with telcos and their ilk, be careful what you wish for...


clone

join:2000-12-11
Portage, IN
reply to Caddyroger

I understand now. Tiered TV, good. Tiered internet, bad.

What if I said (which I don't believe) that people who want to use Netflix or YouTube or Facebook should be in separate tiers since their usage makes up the bulk of the cost of transport. Everyone on here would scream bloody murder.


jasondean

join:2009-08-28
Brooklyn, NY
reply to clone

Unfortunately you can't just blame the sports networks. Many bundled channels are due to one company forcing their little watched and never wanted channels on the cable co. as part of carrying their more popular choices. Want MTV? Here's all of Viacom's channels to go with it. Look at their list of channels and tell me how many you actually watch? »www.viacom.com/ourbrands/Pages/default.aspx

I'd gladly opt out of the Viacom package if it would save me $10/mo. So many people complain about sports networks... I don't want my MTV!!



FFH
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join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
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reply to tshirt

said by tshirt:


Unfortunately, if tastes demand something out of each package at your house you will pay the max rate for everything.

And don't think for 1 sec that that isn't how they will create the bundles. Always bundle a class or type of shows someone won't want(like sports) with 1 or 2 channels everyone will want. Like the example here where a sports bundle includes TNT, FoxNews, Comedy Central, etc. By grouping dissimilar shows they are trying to make it hard to drop any group of channels.

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clone

join:2000-12-11
Portage, IN

1 recommendation

reply to jasondean

I don't disagree. But rates are never going to drop, just the number of channels in the "basic" package will get smaller and smaller until we're paying the same rate for basic as we always did, and have to have a bunch of add-on packages on top of it that double the bill.

Opting-out of the Viacom package would never save you $10. You would get to pay the same rate as you always did, while no longer receiving Viacom. You'll pay the same and get less. It's the telco way. Meanwhile people who enjoy Viacom will have to pay more to get the same service they always did.



tshirt
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Snohomish, WA
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reply to clone

This isn't about transport cost (one HD channel costs about the same as another to broadcast) it's about the content cost.
Sports are among the most expensive shows to produce (due to stadiums fees, player salaries, and team owners long term development investments.
the internet equivalent would have you paying your current ISP fees plus bandwidth (if above current usage) and a huge annual subscription fee to the league website, the total would likely be much more than the broadcast/sports channel model, but you might be able to get very customized "MY Team" content.



tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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reply to FFH

And that or even "fairly" group channel packages are very much in the providers favor.
take sports now at $5... with packages half drop it but you get $10 from each remaining peep... now if you can add a sport or somehow appeal to a few more you get $10 from each a better return then selling 2x as many on the $5 plan.
Potentially(but not totally likely) you could double your income with small adjustments your package.



delusion ftl

@comcast.net
reply to clone

All of this would be fixed if the cable companies and content owners would just implement my idea.

I would give everyone responsible in my market a cable connection and an HD capable cable box.
I would have all of them get channels I get paid to show (shopping etc..). I would allow them to go onto the website or use their tv to select which channels or packages they want. If they want only CNN as their every month channel, then that's great it's 1 dollar a month (or whatever is appropriate). What if their son is over and wants to watch the game. Today they would not watch it and the cable company would get no money. I think they switch to that channel the cable box says, would you like to buy this channel for the rest of the month? It's 2.00. yes or no?
The HD version is $4 dollars for the rest of the month.
Grandkids over and want to watch Disney? pay a few bucks and get it. No calling for a package upgrade, or anything like that

And so on and so on.


TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26
Fremont, OH
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reply to Skippy25

Very true. If you surf other websites and not Howard Forums, but actual news sites that cover these stories, you'll find that a LOT of people do not want ESPN included in their basic package and yet would rather opt-out. It has already been shown that ESPN is the driving cost of what Disney-ABC charges for programming.

I think its a good thing to charge those customers for those channels. Even if the customers that do not want them, get a price break, those that want it will still pay more with this type of service package.


chitchatjf

join:2008-07-13
Lawrence, MA
reply to jasondean

I'm not keen about MTV anymore? I say "Where's the music?"



admin123

@myvzw.com
reply to TheKrell

That go's for every channel, So you wanna opt out say your fav channel pay $3.00/month extra ? what i thought.


Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
reply to clone

More like
limited basic / line fee* comes with Local Channels let's say $15-$20
and then have theme packs after that.

Line fee is needed for HSI as well


34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to clone

said by clone:

If the providers get their way, we will get a-la-carte just like we've been asking for, and it will look like this:

If these companies do a-la-carte properly it wouldn't cost so much but they have no intention of actually doing things properly.

TuxRaiderPen

join:2009-09-19
reply to clone

said by clone:
As do most "average joe" pay TV subscribers. The people who post on these forums that have no interest in sports are the minority, and that's why sports networks are always included in basic cable.
As average Jane/Joe... sports is NOT an interest.. matter of fact they could shut down and I wouldn't notice, except maybe that my programs start on time on SUN for a change...

ESPN is included because the corpartstapo of disney FORCE IT! You want any O&O ABC, or any of the other disney cruft, you take ESPN in your standard tier and fork over $5.00/month/sub for that in addition to the other channels fees.

Well you sports a holics can FOOT THE BILL FOR YOUR sports and their over inflated fees and salaries and drugs etc..

Its a good start let the sportsaholics pay for their sports....
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