 JohnInSJPremium join:2003-09-22 San Jose, CA Reviews:
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Re: [Speed] Congested Comcast Peering with Akamai, Google in Mid I assume when the techs visited (as in when they were there testing your line/modem signals) you were NOT seeing the issue?
Comcast doesn't generally have congestion issues anywhere, in the modern era. This is is why I would think this is something other than congestion - if its intermittent, does it vary in time of day, day of week? -- My place : »www.schettino.us |
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 johnnn join:2007-01-25 Ypsilanti, MI | Both visited during the day on weekdays. They didn't perform tests past basic speedtests to the Comcast server near Detroit. The throughput problem is definitely exacerbated during peak times. Recently it was so bad I couldn't stream a 360p YouTube video from beginning to end without pauses (in video info, stream fluctuates between 200-900kbps).
The reason I believe congestion (at some level) to be the issue is this: I could close the page, retry, get the same poor performance, but then run a shaperprobe and get 36mbps down (shaped to 25mbps after Powerboost tokens spent) from whichever servers host the Shaperprobe test files.
NetFixer, I agree with your assessment. |
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| said by johnnn:Both visited during the day on weekdays. They didn't perform tests past basic speedtests to the Comcast server near Detroit. The throughput problem is definitely exacerbated during peak times. Recently it was so bad I couldn't stream a 360p YouTube video from beginning to end without pauses (in video info, stream fluctuates between 200-900kbps).
The reason I believe congestion (at some level) to be the issue is this: I could close the page, retry, get the same poor performance, but then run a shaperprobe and get 36mbps down (shaped to 25mbps after Powerboost tokens spent) from whichever servers host the Shaperprobe test files.
NetFixer, I agree with your assessment. Are you using Comcast DNS or some other DNS? It's possible you're not getting content from the closest CDN connection point if you're using a non-comcast DNS. -- My place : »www.schettino.us |
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 johnnn join:2007-01-25 Ypsilanti, MI | I'm using anycast (75.75.75.75), and my router doesn't support IPv6. |
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 | It may be that your local router is being upgraded... in your first post Hop 3 indicated a 'te' interface.
When I just tracerouted to it now, it's showing as a 'xe' interface.
3 20 ms 10 ms 10 ms 96.120.41.137
4 12 ms 7 ms 7 ms xe-8-2-0-sur01.grandrapids.mi.michigan.comcast.net [68.86.140.185]
5 17 ms 19 ms 27 ms te-0-2-0-4-ar01.taylor.mi.michigan.comcast.net [69.139.254.29]
6 18 ms 17 ms 19 ms xe-7-3-0-sur01.wannarbor.mi.michigan.comcast.net [68.85.218.201]
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 DrDrewSo that others may surf. join:2009-01-28 SoCal kudos:9 | said by depster:It may be that your local router is being upgraded... in your first post Hop 3 indicated a 'te' interface.
When I just tracerouted to it now, it's showing as a 'xe' interface.
3 20 ms 10 ms 10 ms 96.120.41.137
4 12 ms 7 ms 7 ms xe-8-2-0-sur01.grandrapids.mi.michigan.comcast.net [68.86.140.185]
5 17 ms 19 ms 27 ms te-0-2-0-4-ar01.taylor.mi.michigan.comcast.net [69.139.254.29]
6 18 ms 17 ms 19 ms xe-7-3-0-sur01.wannarbor.mi.michigan.comcast.net [68.85.218.201]
It's a different interface of the same router. OP's being from the edge of the network inbound, yours being from the core of the network outbound. -- Two is one, one is none. If it's important, back it up... Somethimes 99.999% availability isn't even good enough. |
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 johnnn join:2007-01-25 Ypsilanti, MI | DrDrew is right. When I do tracerts *to* the edge they travel through an xe interface. |
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| reply to johnnn said by johnnn:I'm using anycast (75.75.75.75), and my router doesn't support IPv6. Try using comcast's DNS. Just for grins. -- My place : »www.schettino.us |
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 EGThe wings of lovePremium join:2006-11-18 Union, NJ kudos:9 1 edit | reply to depster FWIW, just a point. As Dr.Drew stated, it's the same physical router. This data needs to also be examined when evaluating the rDNS info on hops;
te-8-2-ur02 xe-7-0-sur01
Even though the IP address is the same, the slot, port, and ring data is different.
Some examples of some meanings;
Some examples;
ge = gigabit ethernet.
te / xe= ten gigabit ethernet.
p, po, pos = Packet Over Sonet (an OC-3 or faster connection).
XE / TE = Juniper / Cisco 10GigE Interface be / ae = Cisco Bundle Ethernet / Juniper Aggregate Ethernet
he = hundred gigabit ethernet.
1-1, 1-2, 1-11, 6-1, 9-1, 2-2, etc. = slot and port.
ar01, cr01, ur01
User Ring (UR), Area Ring (AR), Core Ring (CR) routing. |
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 johnnn join:2007-01-25 Ypsilanti, MI | EG, you're the best. |
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 EGThe wings of lovePremium join:2006-11-18 Union, NJ kudos:9 | I doubt that but thanks for your kind words !  |
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 | reply to JohnInSJ That is Comcast's anycast DNS |
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| reply to EG said by EG:User Ring (UR), Area Ring (AR), Core Ring (CR) routing. The one I've never understood is "SUR." I have yet to see this interface name used outside of Comcast. Happen to know? |
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 johnnn join:2007-01-25 Ypsilanti, MI |  New interface on the |  KS route |  CA route |  Peak time comparison |
There appear to be significant changes underway. One of the routers hostnames has reappeared, and I'm on a different interface. A hop prior to Pontiac has been eliminated from the previous configuration.
There was likely some sort of maintenance window on Friday morning as evidenced by the smokeping graphs attached (this makes sense, as it corresponds with the lowest utilization period for the college town I'm in). Comparing the ICMP performance for peak windows between this week and last, there's been a significant improvement. |
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| reply to nate1234 said by nate1234:That is Comcast's anycast DNS Perhaps using one from here »www.whatsmydns.net/dns/usa/comcast.html
Michigan
Primary DNS: 68.87.77.130
Secondary DNS: 68.87.72.130
Primary IPv6 DNS: 2001:558:1016:C:68:87:77:130
Secondary IPv6 DNS: 2001:558:100E:4:68:87:72:130
Would yield different CDN entry points? -- My place : »www.schettino.us |
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| reply to EG said by EG:ge = gigabit ethernet.
te / xe= ten gigabit ethernet.
p, po, pos = Packet Over Sonet (an OC-3 or faster connection).
XE / TE = Juniper / Cisco 10GigE Interface be / ae = Cisco Bundle Ethernet / Juniper Aggregate Ethernet
he = hundred gigabit ethernet.
1-1, 1-2, 1-11, 6-1, 9-1, 2-2, etc. = slot and port.
ar01, cr01, ur01
User Ring (UR), Area Ring (AR), Core Ring (CR) routing. holy cow man. Thanks for this information. I know it's pretty trivial for non-comcast network engineers, but it really helps add some light into where my packets go when they leave town.  |
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 | reply to whfsdude said by whfsdude:said by EG:User Ring (UR), Area Ring (AR), Core Ring (CR) routing. The one I've never understood is "SUR." I have yet to see this interface name used outside of Comcast. Happen to know? Maybe Switched User Ring? |
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 NetFixerFrom my cold dead handsPremium join:2004-06-24 The Boro Reviews:
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That is exactly what I do for the forwarding servers in my in-house DNS server. I chose the primary servers for Atlanta and Chicago because most of my routes go through either Atlanta or Chicago.

C:\>dig -x 68.87.68.162
; <<>> DiG 9.9.2 <<>> -x 68.87.68.162
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 62426
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1280
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;162.68.87.68.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR
;; ANSWER SECTION:
162.68.87.68.in-addr.arpa. 1196 IN PTR nrcns.s3woodstock.ga.atlanta.comcast.net.
;; Query time: 31 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.9.2#53(192.168.9.2)
;; WHEN: Sun Jan 27 13:11:54 2013
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 108
C:\>dig -x 68.87.72.130
; <<>> DiG 9.9.2 <<>> -x 68.87.72.130
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 26004
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1
;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1280
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;130.72.87.68.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR
;; ANSWER SECTION:
130.72.87.68.in-addr.arpa. 6112 IN PTR nrcns.area4.il.chicago.comcast.net.
130.72.87.68.in-addr.arpa. 6112 IN PTR chic-cns.area4.il.chicago.comcast.net.
;; Query time: 15 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.9.2#53(192.168.9.2)
;; WHEN: Sun Jan 27 13:12:24 2013
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 125
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 makazePremium join:2004-02-23 USA | reply to depster said by depster:said by whfsdude:said by EG:User Ring (UR), Area Ring (AR), Core Ring (CR) routing. The one I've never understood is "SUR." I have yet to see this interface name used outside of Comcast. Happen to know? Maybe Switched User Ring? Nah it's a Super UR. In most areas it's a juniper with multiple AR connections for redundancy. |
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 johnnn join:2007-01-25 Ypsilanti, MI | So based on the info in this thread, the changes in throughput (things are much improved), and the routing changes I've observed, it looks like Comcast hooked my neighborhood's CMTS (and likely all of wannarbor) into a Super UR whereas before it routed through two regular 10GigE URs on its way to the AR in Pontiac. |
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