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JimThePCGuy
Formerly known as schja01.
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-27
Morton Grove, IL

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A right?

Correct me if I'm wrong but for it to be a "right" it must fall under the "Bill of Rights" and it's amendments. The term "right" is WAY over used.
One doesn't have a "right" to drive an automobile, one has a privilege etc.

kerya666

join:2002-12-20
Valrico, FL
said by JimThePCGuy:

Correct me if I'm wrong but for it to be a "right" it must fall under the "Bill of Rights" and it's amendments. The term "right" is WAY over used.
One doesn't have a "right" to drive an automobile, one has a privilege etc.

Well it is in Germany, Finland, France...your interpretation of how it is or should be here because "Bill or Rights" or whatever document has no meaning there.

The way I see it if I pay taxes on roads then I should have a RIGHT to use them provided I can physically and mentally handle it (not severely handicapped etc.) Privilege? What government is my master and parent that I should get a privilege? Just because they try to claim it is a privilege to have one up on me does not mean I agree.


FFH5
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5
reply to JimThePCGuy
Not a right - I lean more to a luxury, and if pushed maybe it could be called a utility under a stretch of that term.

LostInWoods

join:2004-04-14
Reviews:
·Windstream
I don't see it being much of a stretch to call broadband access to the internet a utility similar to phone service or power, but not certainly not a right. And with being a utility could and perhaps should come some quality of service regulation, since for most of us there are at most two methods of broadband internet access.


elios

join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
reply to FFH5
i could argue the same for running water in the 1800's , power in the early 1900's, telephone in the early to mid 1900's

civilization moves on technology moves on
like it or not

Angrychair

join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL
Reviews:
·Comcast
reply to JimThePCGuy
said by JimThePCGuy:

Correct me if I'm wrong but for it to be a "right" it must fall under the "Bill of Rights" and it's amendments. The term "right" is WAY over used.
One doesn't have a "right" to drive an automobile, one has a privilege etc.

The Tenth Amendment makes it pretty clear.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Anything not prohibited is technically a right.

It's only been since we started getting right wing interpretations of governance that suddenly only things exhaustively enumerated in the constitution and its amendments are "rights".

MURICA

join:2013-01-03
reply to JimThePCGuy
Pro Tip: Your only "right" in life is the right to death. And even science will be able to take that away from us eventually.

ANYTHING else you define as a "right" is entirely subjective. So you might as well include Internet access in those definitions.

silbaco
Premium
join:2009-08-03
USA
reply to elios
You can survive without internet, telephone, and power. You can survive without running water too, but not without water in general.

They sound luxuries to me.


elios

join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
civilizations decided other wise

what you think doesnt matter if the majority think other wise


leibold
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-09
Sunnyvale, CA
kudos:10
Reviews:
·SONIC.NET
reply to LostInWoods
said by LostInWoods:

I don't see it being much of a stretch to call broadband access to the internet a utility similar to phone service or power, but not certainly not a right.

Phone, power and television (was originally radio) have already been considered "essential" previously and now Internet access is treated in the same way. I don't know how well the German definition of an "essential part of life" compares to the US legal definition of a "right" (there may be overlap, but I don't think they are truly equivalent). From what I know about Germany, things considered "essential" may be subsidized (or fully paid for) for social security recipients and a landlord may not prevent a tenant from owning "essential items" or receiving "essential services". There are also restrictions on the repossession of goods from people in financial difficulties (for example: one working phone and one working television has to remain in the home because of their status as "essential" items).
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Telco

join:2008-12-19
reply to silbaco
You do realize that you are on an tech forum.


R4M0N
Brazilian Soccer Ownz Joo

join:2000-10-04
Glen Allen, VA
reply to Angrychair
said by Angrychair:

said by JimThePCGuy:

Correct me if I'm wrong but for it to be a "right" it must fall under the "Bill of Rights" and it's amendments. The term "right" is WAY over used.
One doesn't have a "right" to drive an automobile, one has a privilege etc.

The Tenth Amendment makes it pretty clear.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Anything not prohibited is technically a right.

It's only been since we started getting right wing interpretations of governance that suddenly only things exhaustively enumerated in the constitution and its amendments are "rights".

As opposed to left-wing interpretations of governance that suddenly even rights exhaustively enumerated are not really rights?

Angrychair

join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL
Reviews:
·Comcast
said by R4M0N:

As opposed to left-wing interpretations of governance that suddenly even rights exhaustively enumerated are not really rights?

Like...?


R4M0N
Brazilian Soccer Ownz Joo

join:2000-10-04
Glen Allen, VA
said by Angrychair:

said by R4M0N:

As opposed to left-wing interpretations of governance that suddenly even rights exhaustively enumerated are not really rights?

Like...?

Just the question being asked already shows me on which side of the debate you fall on... We've already deviated from the topic far enough. I'll leave it at that.

Angrychair

join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL
Reviews:
·Comcast
said by R4M0N:

said by Angrychair:

said by R4M0N:

As opposed to left-wing interpretations of governance that suddenly even rights exhaustively enumerated are not really rights?

Like...?

Just the question being asked already shows me on which side of the debate you fall on... We've already deviated from the topic far enough. I'll leave it at that.

That's a cute cop-out.

If you didn't have a point in the first place why bother replying?


R4M0N
Brazilian Soccer Ownz Joo

join:2000-10-04
Glen Allen, VA
I see... You wanted a sucker to fall for your trolling on a tech website and I fell for it hook, line and sinker.


elios

join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
reply to MURICA
seems thats not even a right in some places