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myriad007

join:2002-03-02
Scarborough, ON
reply to Guspaz

Re: Question about 100MB business fiber

Hey Guzpaz! What do you think of the bonded MLPPP for a business setup?



SimonJones
MTS Allstream Alliance

join:2010-09-16
Mississauga, ON

Hi Myriad,

If you'd like to PM me your address I can provide Allstream pricing for various tiers of E10/E100/E1000.

Simon



Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:22
reply to myriad007

I've got very little experience on bonding more than 2 connections, and at this point, even for two connections (faster ones anyhow), you'd be looking at using Cisco or Microtik (maybe pfsense?) hardware to do it, which I've no experience with. It sounds like Paulo is saying that TSI does have recommended hardware for bonding more than two lines though, so if they do support for it, that might be good.

They might cut a discount if you're getting multiple lines, but bonding four business 25/10 lines (assuming they're not still 25/7) would get you 100/40 speeds, and cost (assuming dry loop band B) about $508 per month. That's still a good chunk of change, but a lot less than you're paying now. Of course, you'd need to qualify for those speeds.
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Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org


Candew

join:2005-09-23
Ottawa, ON

1200 a month for 100MB? Is this symmetrical?

Geeze, we are paying a little over $1000 a month for our FTTB @ 10MB symmetrical here in Ottawa (Atria, now owned by Rogers).

Count your blessings!



Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:22

said by Candew:

1200 a month for 100MB? Is this symmetrical?

Geeze, we are paying a little over $1000 a month for our FTTB @ 10MB symmetrical here in Ottawa (Atria, now owned by Rogers).

Count your blessings!

Almost all of the cost is getting the physical fiber to you. Once that's done, the price difference between 10 and 100 is not that big.
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Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org


TSI Paulo
Premium
join:2011-09-28
reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

I've got very little experience on bonding more than 2 connections, and at this point, even for two connections (faster ones anyhow), you'd be looking at using Cisco or Microtik (maybe pfsense?) hardware to do it, which I've no experience with. It sounds like Paulo is saying that TSI does have recommended hardware for bonding more than two lines though, so if they do support for it, that might be good.

They might cut a discount if you're getting multiple lines, but bonding four business 25/10 lines (assuming they're not still 25/7) would get you 100/40 speeds, and cost (assuming dry loop band B) about $508 per month. That's still a good chunk of change, but a lot less than you're paying now. Of course, you'd need to qualify for those speeds.

It is a Mikrotik 750g that we use for an up to 4 line bond and a 493 is used for an up to 8 line bond. The 750g is $100 + tax and we support these cisco based routers. We can set them up in passthrough mode or have them do DHCP with a switch behind them. We will help with QoS, port forwarding, IPsec etc also.

As with any PPPoE, you'll need to take into account the 15-20% overhead with the connection. For example, yesterday I set a customer up with a 4 line 25/7mbs MLPPP connection and they were getting 89mbs down and 26mbs up.
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TSI Paulo - Business Services
TekSavvy Solutions Inc.
Authorized TSI employee ( »TekSavvy FAQ »Official support in the forum )


TSI Paulo
Premium
join:2011-09-28

As I mentioned before OP, if you're interested or would just like more specifics I would be happy to help you with that. Just send me a PM or simply call me at 1-877-313-1575 and ask for Paulo.

I'm available Monday - Friday, 8-5pm



Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:22
reply to TSI Paulo

said by TSI Paulo:

As with any PPPoE, you'll need to take into account the 15-20% overhead with the connection. For example, yesterday I set a customer up with a 4 line 25/7mbs MLPPP connection and they were getting 89mbs down and 26mbs up.

There is no effective overhead on VDSL2 service, because Bell sets the sync speeds higher than the advertised speed in order to account for overhead. A single 25/7 line sees actual throughput in speed tests of 25/7, and so that particular customer should be seeing 100 mbps down, and 28 mbps up.

26 is close enough to 28 that you could write it off as margin of error, but 89 mbps indicates some problem (non-optimal mru perhaps?).
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Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org


TSI Paulo
Premium
join:2011-09-28

I was thinking the same thing given profiles are set higher than the 25/7. We typically set the MRU/MTU to 1480 but perhaps dropping the MRU to 1460 would optimize this connection.



Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:22

Actually, now that I think about it, VDSL2 doesn't use ATM, so the rules about optimal MRUs aren't the same as they were for ADSL... Back in the day, you had to set it correctly to avoid wasting ATM cells, like if your pppoe frame was just one byte over the limit, it would require an entire extra ATM cell... But that's not the case anymore, so my comments may not apply.
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Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org


scorpido
Premium
join:2009-11-02
New Hamburg, ON
kudos:1

PM Me and I can put in contact with a guy who an do better then $1200. Believe me, I know.


cruisx

join:2009-10-25
reply to TSI Paulo

Can you guys do a 4 line bond for a residential property?


MaynardKrebs
Premium
join:2009-06-17
kudos:4

said by cruisx:

Can you guys do a 4 line bond for a residential property?

You pay, TSI will play


TSI Paulo
Premium
join:2011-09-28
reply to Guspaz

Thanks for updating Guspaz. Your input is always appreciated. I'm not sure what could be causing the bottleneck if there is one. I'll do a bit of research and try to figure out what it could be I suppose.

Paulo



Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:22

Basically consider that the sync speed for 25 meg DSL is about 26.95 megs, so your customer is actually seeing 89 meg throughput on a ~108 meg aggregate sync. Overhead on VDSL2 seems to be roughly 6-7% (going from benchmarks here, not doing the math). ATM was one of the biggest sources of overhead with ADSL, and that's gone now, hence the lower overhead. So if he's seeing 89 meg, that's about 17% overhead, way more than we'd expect to see.

Although there is also some MLPPP overhead too, of course, but that was like 0.4%.
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Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org



TSI Paulo
Premium
join:2011-09-28
reply to cruisx

said by cruisx:

Can you guys do a 4 line bond for a residential property?

We will do a 4 line bond but if you're looking to use the Mikrotik router we sell, we'll send it out pre-configured but will not support it. We only support business customers using that router.

In other words, you'll want to be very specific with how you would like to have it set up before we send it out.
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TSI Paulo - Business Services
TekSavvy Solutions Inc.
Authorized TSI employee ( »TekSavvy FAQ »Official support in the forum )