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DarkLogix
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Re: What Specialization Would You Choose Now?

So about $2k just to take the test.



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said by DarkLogix:

So about $2k just to take the test.

We have someone who works at Xerox who has a CCIE and he is awesome. Took him a couple years to get it, but he says it was worth it. The guy lives, breathes, and eats Cisco. I would rather work on server/network infrastructure and IT Strategy.
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said by DarkLogix:

So about $2k just to take the test.

$2k just *for* the test.
i have my r/s lab attempt scheduled for march 27th.
my company is anticipating close to $3k just for me to fly there/back, food, transportation, and hotel.

q.
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DarkLogix
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And if you should fail?



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said by Nightfall:

said by DarkLogix:

So about $2k just to take the test.

We have someone who works at Xerox who has a CCIE and he is awesome. Took him a couple years to get it, but he says it was worth it. The guy lives, breathes, and eats Cisco. I would rather work on server/network infrastructure and IT Strategy.

i've seen a lot of great ccie's. i've also seen a lot of shitty ones. i've also met a lot of amazing engineers/architects, who haven't a cert to their name.
in the end -- its all about passion and interest in the field. the ccie is just something that provides instant "knowledge" recognition to customers/potential employers.

i'm well respected in the southwest region as a knowledgeable route/switch/wan/datacenter engineer. however, i do run into many instances with customers who want "the numbers after the name". sometimes i can overcome -- others won't have discussions long enough to see my knowledge.

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said by DarkLogix:

And if you should fail?

they'll pay for three attempts.
plus a single bootcamp. most other study materials i can expense as well.

i've been working here for 6 years -- and am usually put on the most difficult accounts at a principal engineer/architect level for durations of projects/programs.
i am also involved in high-level architecture/design/discovery meetings with our sales teams for route/switch/wan/datacenter projects.

needless to say -- the company will benefit greatly by my having the numbers just as much as i will.

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Cool

I feel I need to look into moving on to another job, initial I was working with the network but due to corp office bad ideas I'm stuck working with users.

They split IT into user services and infrastructure, and the office I'm in only has 2 IT people so I got the shaft out of that deal (though they also moved to Juniper crap that crashed ever few months. so um)
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said by tubbynet:

said by Nightfall:

said by DarkLogix:

So about $2k just to take the test.

We have someone who works at Xerox who has a CCIE and he is awesome. Took him a couple years to get it, but he says it was worth it. The guy lives, breathes, and eats Cisco. I would rather work on server/network infrastructure and IT Strategy.

i've seen a lot of great ccie's. i've also seen a lot of shitty ones. i've also met a lot of amazing engineers/architects, who haven't a cert to their name.
in the end -- its all about passion and interest in the field. the ccie is just something that provides instant "knowledge" recognition to customers/potential employers.

i'm well respected in the southwest region as a knowledgeable route/switch/wan/datacenter engineer. however, i do run into many instances with customers who want "the numbers after the name". sometimes i can overcome -- others won't have discussions long enough to see my knowledge.

q.

Yup, I agree with you.

This really is the shameful part when it comes to education. Some places won't even consider you without the college degree while others will. Same goes for people who say you have to have the CCIE or CCNP. These days, just saying you can do it doesn't cut it.

This is why having the best well rounded education is really the best thing. There are three areas that everyone in IT should have on their resume.

1. Experience
2. Education
3. Certifications

If you lack something in one of those areas, then you are closing doors or opportunities. Its a buyers market out there right now. There are many candidates that are strong in all three areas. By being weak in one of those areas, you are less likely to get that job or raise.

So, when you say that customers want "the numbers after the name", that is very true. Its just as true when it comes to the education and experience portion of things as well.
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said by Nightfall:

So, when you say that customers want "the numbers after the name", that is very true. Its just as true when it comes to the education and experience portion of things as well.

for a network admin job -- i'd agree. well rounded with education matters -- especially in terms of communication, etc.

however -- i've not seen as much emphasis on the education in your bona fides when doing consulting work in the network field. i will say that having my bsee has greatly helped my understanding of the physical architecture aspects of these devices and knowing what they can/can't do -- but i wouldn't say that its a requirement.

however, as with everything -- your mileage may vary. i'm a great proponent of having a college degree anyway -- especially in something useful. if the network world ever turns to shit -- or i get burned out -- i have something widely accepted (a four year degree in an engineering area of study) that is "good" for a resume.

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said by tubbynet:

said by Nightfall:

So, when you say that customers want "the numbers after the name", that is very true. Its just as true when it comes to the education and experience portion of things as well.

for a network admin job -- i'd agree. well rounded with education matters -- especially in terms of communication, etc.

however -- i've not seen as much emphasis on the education in your bona fides when doing consulting work in the network field. i will say that having my bsee has greatly helped my understanding of the physical architecture aspects of these devices and knowing what they can/can't do -- but i wouldn't say that its a requirement.
q.

Yea, we are pretty much in agreement. When it comes to consulting, most companies don't care about a consultant's education. What I was referring to was trying to get a job with a company and what most companies want in terms of the "big 3 requirements".

As you said, YMMV.

I wish you luck on your CCIE.
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How much is the boot camp?



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10-day bootcamps are usually upwards of $5k, not including transport, hotel, etc.

they are used as a last-minute refresher/cram session for the ccie. you should only attend one if you feel you're ready to take the lab after months of self study.

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DarkLogix
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So likely looking at atleast $10k
$2k test
$5k extra prep
$3k misc
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said by DarkLogix:

So likely looking at atleast $10k
$2k test
$5k extra prep
$3k misc

assuming you pass the lab on the first shot.
very low percentage of takers actually do.

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DarkLogix
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said by tubbynet:

said by DarkLogix:

So likely looking at atleast $10k
$2k test
$5k extra prep
$3k misc

assuming you pass the lab on the first shot.
very low percentage of takers actually do.

q.

Ya that's a best case cost scenario
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said by DarkLogix:

said by tubbynet:

said by DarkLogix:

So likely looking at atleast $10k
$2k test
$5k extra prep
$3k misc

assuming you pass the lab on the first shot.
very low percentage of takers actually do.

q.

Ya that's a best case cost scenario

The guy who I know who is a CCIE who works at Xerox said to add about 5k to that figure. That factors in all the other tests, materials, and so on. Plus, you have an additional trip to take the exam. He passed it his first time though.
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