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londoner1

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Bell Unlimited Promotion

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Saw this well poking around the Bell site

resa1983
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Yup. Expect a post from Karl about this soon.
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mlord

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Nepean, ON
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reply to londoner1

Mmm.. +$30/month for unlimited transfers. Expensive.


camelot

join:2008-04-12
Whitby, ON
reply to londoner1

I still don't trust the buggers.

"Subject to change at any time" leaves them an out in 6 months.



HiVolt
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reply to londoner1

CNOC should immediately file to strike all CBB rate charges...
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camelot

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said by HiVolt:

CNOC should immediately file to strike all CBB rate charges...

Absolutely. This negates all of their CBB rates for wholesale.

TSI Marc: Is CNOC going to take this to the CRTC?


mlerner
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reply to camelot

said by camelot:

I still don't trust the buggers.

"Subject to change at any time" leaves them an out in 6 months.

It'll likely be there for 6 months and then if any changes occur on your account, they'll be like 'oops you don't have that anymore' and 'we can't get it back for you'.


shame2

@teksavvy.com
reply to londoner1

the most expensive internet access in the `developed world` just got better. you can pay even more, for a service that used to cost half as much just a few years ago.

the same incompetent technical support and the never ending price increases. canada.



mlerner
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reply to camelot

said by camelot:

said by HiVolt:

CNOC should immediately file to strike all CBB rate charges...

Absolutely. This negates all of their CBB rates for wholesale.

Not necessarily, the wholesale costing is recognized as separate than retail pricing. The only thing that is required is that all retail plans have to be offered on wholesale terms which may or may not include unlimited usage addons.


Guspaz
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reply to londoner1

Citing the $30/mth for unlimited won't get CNOC anywhere. TekSavvy has a max of $25/mth for unlimited, on top of lower prices to boot.
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HiVolt
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said by mlerner:

Not necessarily, the wholesale costing is recognized as separate than retail pricing. The only thing that is required is that all retail plans have to be offered on wholesale terms which may or may not include unlimited usage addons.

But Bell fought for all this time against unlimited usage for wholesale, and simply do an about face, and the wholesale is stuck with all these overpriced capacity charges, while Bell just dances around it now?
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camelot

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reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

Citing the $30/mth for unlimited won't get CNOC anywhere. TekSavvy has a max of $25/mth for unlimited, on top of lower prices to boot.

No, but the $10 in a bundle will. What does a "bundle" have to do with the capacity rates they claim are expensive. How does bundling with other services somehow lower capacity rates for them?

JonyBelGeul
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reply to londoner1

This is how it works.

Bell overcharges wholesale indies to subsidize its own retail rebates and bundles and promotions, then overcharges its own retail once promotion ends or contract ends or changes.

The alternative is that Bell charges wholesale indies based on genuine costs, but then has to drop its own retail prices to compete with indies who get ridiculously cheap wholesale capacity and access.

Which is the most likely to be true?
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mlerner
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reply to HiVolt

said by HiVolt:

said by mlerner:

Not necessarily, the wholesale costing is recognized as separate than retail pricing. The only thing that is required is that all retail plans have to be offered on wholesale terms which may or may not include unlimited usage addons.

But Bell fought for all this time against unlimited usage for wholesale, and simply do an about face, and the wholesale is stuck with all these overpriced capacity charges, while Bell just dances around it now?

Yup, that's the way it's always worked under previous CRTC management. The CRTC might re-work wholesale costing altogether but Bell is free to offer anything to their own clients. That's the single biggest reason wholesale is a mess and Bell still reaps all the profit.


Guspaz
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reply to camelot

said by camelot:

No, but the $10 in a bundle will. What does a "bundle" have to do with the capacity rates they claim are expensive. How does bundling with other services somehow lower capacity rates for them?

Have you actually looked at Bell's prices? Compare Bell unlimited with $10 for that and TekSavvy unlimited (using QC pricing):

TekSavvy: $77.99/mth
Bell: $71.95/mth + $10/mth unlimited = $81.95/mth

TekSavvy is still cheaper. Even with the $4/mth bundle discount, Bell is only matching TSI's price.
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HiVolt
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said by Guspaz:

Have you actually looked at Bell's prices? Compare Bell unlimited with $10 for that and TekSavvy unlimited (using QC pricing):

TekSavvy: $77.99/mth
Bell: $71.95/mth + $10/mth unlimited = $81.95/mth

TekSavvy is still cheaper. Even with the $4/mth bundle discount, Bell is only matching TSI's price.

Except TekSavvy can't provide reliable 25mbps connection in peak hours, but Bell can.

And if you need a dryloop, there's another way wholesale gets screwed.
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InvalidError

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said by HiVolt:

And if you need a dryloop, there's another way wholesale gets screwed.

If you need dry loop then you only have one Bell service and aren't eligible for the $20+ worth of discounts that were required to match TSI's price, so TSI should still be cheaper for dry even if Bell does not charge for it.

camelot

join:2008-04-12
Whitby, ON
reply to Guspaz

I'm not questioning final pricing; I'm questioning their conflicting arguments behind it.

It seems they are able to justify higher per-GB charges for wholesale, but the same costing reasons don't apply for their own customers.


bt

join:2009-02-26
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said by InvalidError:

said by HiVolt:

And if you need a dryloop, there's another way wholesale gets screwed.

If you need dry loop then you only have one Bell service

Internet/TV/Mobility

Dufus

join:2010-10-20
Scarborough, ON
reply to HiVolt

said by HiVolt:

said by Guspaz:

Have you actually looked at Bell's prices? Compare Bell unlimited with $10 for that and TekSavvy unlimited (using QC pricing):

TekSavvy: $77.99/mth
Bell: $71.95/mth + $10/mth unlimited = $81.95/mth

TekSavvy is still cheaper. Even with the $4/mth bundle discount, Bell is only matching TSI's price.

Except TekSavvy can't provide reliable 25mbps connection in peak hours, but Bell can.

And if you need a dryloop, there's another way wholesale gets screwed.

Don't forget about the modem rental!


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said by londoner1:

Saw this well poking around the Bell site

 
At least Bell is calling it by its correct name this time - USAGE rather than Bandwidth.

TSI, listen up !


TSI Marc
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said by Davesnothere:

said by londoner1:

Saw this well poking around the Bell site

 
At least Bell is calling it by its correct name this time - USAGE rather than Bandwidth.

TSI listen up !

LOL. that damn thing..
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said by TSI Marc:

LOL. that damn thing..

 
Now THAT was a fast upstream !


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ChuckcZar

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reply to londoner1

At a time when Telus is looking to enforce caps out west? I wouldn't want to be the one getting or looking at the bill at the end of the month. I'd head for the hills. Sounds like a con game after Netflix announced super HD and 3D.



ChuckcZar

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reply to HiVolt

Same hold true for 25/10 in cities such as Ottawa. Bell can't provide true 25/10 in most areas of Ottawa.



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said by InvalidError:

said by HiVolt:

And if you need a dryloop, there's another way wholesale gets screwed.

If you need dry loop then you only have one Bell service and aren't eligible for the $20+ worth of discounts that were required to match TSI's price, so TSI should still be cheaper for dry even if Bell does not charge for it.

 
Good catch, IE !

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said by ChuckcZar :

Same holds true for 25/10 in cities such as Ottawa.

Bell can't provide true 25/10 in most areas of Ottawa.

 
Heck, BH#$ELL cannot even do 15/1 in Brockville, a city of 30K-ish (try 6M/800K if lucky), and not much better in the larger city of Kingston.

GOUGEco cable BLOWS Bell away in THOSE places !

bt

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reply to Davesnothere

said by Davesnothere:

said by InvalidError:

said by HiVolt:

And if you need a dryloop, there's another way wholesale gets screwed.

If you need dry loop then you only have one Bell service and aren't eligible for the $20+ worth of discounts that were required to match TSI's price, so TSI should still be cheaper for dry even if Bell does not charge for it.

 
Good catch, IE !

...except he's wrong.


RMerlin

join:2009-10-09
Montreal, QC
reply to londoner1

What came to mind here when I saw that: nowthat there is an Unlimited SKU in their system, it probably means that retention will be able to offer it to you when trying to prevent you from leaving Bell due to "low quotas".