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mlerner
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Re: Bell Unlimited Promotion

said by camelot:

said by HiVolt:

CNOC should immediately file to strike all CBB rate charges...

Absolutely. This negates all of their CBB rates for wholesale.

Not necessarily, the wholesale costing is recognized as separate than retail pricing. The only thing that is required is that all retail plans have to be offered on wholesale terms which may or may not include unlimited usage addons.


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said by mlerner:

Not necessarily, the wholesale costing is recognized as separate than retail pricing. The only thing that is required is that all retail plans have to be offered on wholesale terms which may or may not include unlimited usage addons.

But Bell fought for all this time against unlimited usage for wholesale, and simply do an about face, and the wholesale is stuck with all these overpriced capacity charges, while Bell just dances around it now?
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mlerner
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said by HiVolt:

said by mlerner:

Not necessarily, the wholesale costing is recognized as separate than retail pricing. The only thing that is required is that all retail plans have to be offered on wholesale terms which may or may not include unlimited usage addons.

But Bell fought for all this time against unlimited usage for wholesale, and simply do an about face, and the wholesale is stuck with all these overpriced capacity charges, while Bell just dances around it now?

Yup, that's the way it's always worked under previous CRTC management. The CRTC might re-work wholesale costing altogether but Bell is free to offer anything to their own clients. That's the single biggest reason wholesale is a mess and Bell still reaps all the profit.

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said by mlerner:

said by camelot:

said by HiVolt:

CNOC should immediately file to strike all CBB rate charges...

Absolutely. This negates all of their CBB rates for wholesale.

Not necessarily, the wholesale costing is recognized as separate than retail pricing. The only thing that is required is that all retail plans have to be offered on wholesale terms which may or may not include unlimited usage addons.

your smoking crack again, wholesale shouldn't in fact be EVER cheaper then anything retail....in any market if it is your in trouble in that business.
now go back and read what your trying to justify that a wholesale price SHOULD be higher then a retail one.
HEHE people aren't stupid

34764170

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said by funny0:

your smoking crack again, wholesale shouldn't in fact be EVER cheaper then anything retail....

Bell can chose to sell services at retail at a loss but under normal conditions wholesale should pretty much always be cheaper than retail.

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said by 34764170:

Bell can chose to sell services at retail at a loss but under normal conditions wholesale should pretty much always be cheaper than retail.

In principle, incumbents do have the opportunity to optimize their network to their own needs and subscriber usage patterns, which should grant them a considerable cost saving advantage over wholesale if they decided to fully leverage it.

So I would not be so quick to conclude that wholesale end-users cost incumbents less (infrastructure-wise) than retail subscribers. After all, accommodating wholesale services does require extra equipment and network configurations that incumbents would not otherwise need for themselves.

34764170

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said by InvalidError:

In principle, incumbents do have the opportunity to optimize their network to their own needs and subscriber usage patterns, which should grant them a considerable cost saving advantage over wholesale if they decided to fully leverage it.

So I would not be so quick to conclude that wholesale end-users cost incumbents less (infrastructure-wise) than retail subscribers. After all, accommodating wholesale services does require extra equipment and network configurations that incumbents would not otherwise need for themselves.

In theory they could do a lot of things but they do not. The IISPs also have an advantage of not having such large companies with massive overhead that has to be taken into consideration with pricing of the products.

I never said they cost the incumbents less. Wow, for real? It requires extra equipment to service wholesale customers? Like that isn't painfully obvious. This is the business they are in as a telecommunications carrier.


mlerner
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said by funny0:

your smoking crack again, wholesale shouldn't in fact be EVER cheaper then anything retail....in any market if it is your in trouble in that business.
now go back and read what your trying to justify that a wholesale price SHOULD be higher then a retail one.
HEHE people aren't stupid

You're reading too much in my words. I never defined the price of wholesale. I only said as per the CRTC rules, if there's a retail DSL plan, that plan is supposed to also be offered on wholesale, price will differ but the CRTC sets the costing and markups on that.

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said by 34764170:

The IISPs also have an advantage of not having such large companies with massive overhead that has to be taken into consideration with pricing of the products.

You can have small companies with disproportionate overheads and large companies with smaller (proportionally) overheads too. It has a lot more to do with management and corporate culture than the company's size.

On the other hand, a small company cannot avoid losing out on economies of scale and efficiency gain opportunities. Things like internal tools, processes and procedures R&D are almost flat regardless of company size so they are much more easily absorbed by larger organizations and those get a lot more value out of them too.

If you mean overheads like work unions, TSI could get hit by one of those too if their employees start feeling like they deserve more than what TSI is willing to give them. I don't know about Ontario's labor code but last time I heard/read about it in QC, employers with more than 50 full-time employees cannot object to employees voting to unionize.