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| Spray Foam or Batts I'm planning a summer project to rip down paneling in a room and replace it with drywall (paneling nailed to studs). While I'm in there I want to insulate the walls as three of them are outside walls. The framing is 2x4 so not a huge amount of space. I've asked several tradesmen about spray foam vs. batts and gotten a myriad of answers. I think foam is the best insulator per inch but once insulated, you can't ever fish a wire again in case the need arises. Any experiences to share? |
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 tschmidtPremium,MVM join:2000-11-12 Milford, NH kudos:8 Reviews:
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| We have a timber framed house with stressed skin panels for roof and walls. You are correct with foam fishing cables through the wall can be a challenge. The advantage is solid insulation is much better insulation and moisture control then fiberglass batts.
If you concerned about later access have you though about using fiberglass in the stud cavity and solid foam panels on the inside between the studs and drywall? That accomplishes several things it moves to dew point to the foam rather then fiberglass and minimizes moisture infiltration to the stud cavity.
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 John97Over The Hills And Far AwayPremium join:2000-11-14 Spring Hill, FL Reviews:
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| reply to doechsli A couple of options to consider.. You could future-proof the room by installing extra AC outlets, coax drops, ethernet drops, phone jacks, etc. Or, while you have everything open put in some conduit runs with outlet boxes so you can fish cable later. Just put blank faceplates on the outlet boxes to close things up. -- So put me on a highway, and show me a sign. And take it to the limit one more time... |
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 GooberPremium join:2000-12-17 Naperville, IL kudos:5 Reviews:
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| said by John97:A couple of options to consider.. You could future-proof the room by installing extra AC outlets, coax drops, ethernet drops, phone jacks, etc. Or, while you have everything open put in some conduit runs with outlet boxes so you can fish cable later. Just put blank faceplates on the outlet boxes to close things up. I agree. 28 Cat 6 and 12 RG 6 coax in each room should do it. -- "You lie!" Talk about an understatement, Joe. |
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 VioletVenomLets go GatorsPremium join:2002-01-02 Gainesville, FL | reply to doechsli The difference between the two insulations is going to be DIY opposed to hiring an insulator. Even on a smaller wall area doing spray foam out of a can would be expensive compared to batts. |
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 H_T_R_NPremium join:2011-12-06 Valencia, PA kudos:1 | reply to doechsli I always use foam where I can. |
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 robbinPremium,MVM join:2000-09-21 Leander, TX kudos:1 | reply to VioletVenom Spray foam is more expensive but it has a higher r value per inch. There is no reason that foam is not DIY. There are a number of companies which specialize in spray foam kits. |
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| reply to Goober said by Goober:said by John97:A couple of options to consider.. You could future-proof the room by installing extra AC outlets, coax drops, ethernet drops, phone jacks, etc. Or, while you have everything open put in some conduit runs with outlet boxes so you can fish cable later. Just put blank faceplates on the outlet boxes to close things up. I agree. 28 Cat 6 and 12 RG 6 coax in each room should do it. That made me LOL. -- Ron Paul 2012 »www.ronpaul2012.com Beyond AM. Beyond FM. (((XM)))
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 VioletVenomLets go GatorsPremium join:2002-01-02 Gainesville, FL | reply to doechsli Ok, I stand corrected, there is a DIY foam kit. Someone sent me a link to this. »www.sprayfoamdirect.com/home-own···ications
So, it is available but up front cost is still expensive. Using their estimator, I estimated 240 SF (3x8x10). Came out to $931 for spray foam vs ~$140 for R-19 fiberglass. |
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 GooberPremium join:2000-12-17 Naperville, IL kudos:5 Reviews:
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| I believe even the local hardware stores carry it. Our contractor got it through a big box store I thought. He used the stuff for our sunroom outside walls. It is expensive, but I think it's worth it. -- "You lie!" Talk about an understatement, Joe. |
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| reply to VioletVenom Wow, yeah, that IS expensive!
In any case, regarding future wiring, if you'd be running new wires in from the top you could glue a raceway like this »www.cableorganizer.com/surface-r···ards.htm behind the drywall, with a length centered in every second or third stud cavity. As long as you decided to put your new drop right between the studs you'd hit the open side of the raceway. |
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 DraimanLet me see those devil horns in the sky join:2012-06-01 Kill Devil Hills, NC | reply to doechsli Here's an old thread on DIY spray foam. »DIY Spray Foam Kit Review |
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 GooberPremium join:2000-12-17 Naperville, IL kudos:5 | reply to garys_2k I think it's cheaper if you get it locally. Ours wasn't nearly that expensive. -- "You lie!" Talk about an understatement, Joe. |
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 robbinPremium,MVM join:2000-09-21 Leander, TX kudos:1 | reply to VioletVenom said by VioletVenom:Ok, I stand corrected, there is a DIY foam kit. Someone sent me a link to this. »www.sprayfoamdirect.com/home-own···ications
So, it is available but up front cost is still expensive. Using their estimator, I estimated 240 SF (3x8x10). Came out to $931 for spray foam vs ~$140 for R-19 fiberglass. There are MANY DIY foam kits. Not sure how you estimated 240 SF as the OP didn't give any dimensions other than
said by doechsli:The framing is 2x4 so not a huge amount of space.
which would rule out R-19 batts. On the other hand, foam is around R-7 per inch, so the 3.5" thick wall cavity would be R-24.5 if filled with foam versus R-13 with batts. |
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 LazManPremium join:2003-03-26 canada | reply to doechsli Bonus with sprayfoam; if you go with close cell foam of sufficient dept (1.75-2" I believe) it also acts as a vapor barrier...
I don't know if that's a requirement where you're at, but up here in Canada, it is - and the labour savings in not having to hang and seal the poly vapor barrier helps offset the increased cost of the spray foam...
As for DIY foam kits, they are out there, Tiger Foam (»www.tigerfoam.com/) is the one I'm most familiar with - comes in two tanks, with a set of hoses and applicator - works well, when you get the hang of it - but it's not cheap... If you have a substantial amount of foaming to do, it may be cost-neutral or even a better value, to bring in pro's. Worth a call, anyways... |
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| said by LazMan:the labour savings in not having to hang and seal the poly vapor barrier helps offset the increased cost of the spray foam. Not to mention that even a pinhole in the poly vapor barrier can transport a huge amount of water vapor into the insulation.
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| reply to doechsli Another option is add a 2x2 or another 2x4 onto the existing 2x4 thus extending it to add more fiberglass insulation. Yet another option is run a ton of empty conduit in the wall before you foam. Personally I'd extended the framing with another 2x4 to give you 8" of space then fiberglass with facing towards the inside and drywall over that. Cheap, simple, and effective. -- IF YOU FIND ANY MISTAKES IN MY WORK...Please consider that they are there for a purpose. I try to please everyone and there is always someone looking for mistakes! |
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 R4M0NBrazilian Soccer Ownz Joo join:2000-10-04 Glen Allen, VA | reply to Goober said by Goober:said by John97:A couple of options to consider.. You could future-proof the room by installing extra AC outlets, coax drops, ethernet drops, phone jacks, etc. Or, while you have everything open put in some conduit runs with outlet boxes so you can fish cable later. Just put blank faceplates on the outlet boxes to close things up. I agree. 28 Cat 6 and 12 RG 6 coax in each room should do it. LOL... Nothing like a good inside joke to make me LOL at the end of the day. |
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| reply to LazMan said by LazMan:Bonus with sprayfoam; if you go with close cell foam of sufficient dept (1.75-2" I believe) it also acts as a vapor barrier... Even some open cell foam qualifies as a vapor barrier in Wisconsin. Maybe not all of them but the manufacturer will give you a copy of a certificate from the state if they have gone through the process.
I have open cell and am very happy with it, although if I did it again I'd also get bids from some closed cell contractors. The foam draft sealing is far superior. A few Januaries ago, I took a look at some FLIR images of foam vs. blown-in and batts. The difference was night and day. Batts looked more like the no-insulation images. -- USNG: 16TDN2870 Find your USNG coordinates: USNGWeb |
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 VioletVenomLets go GatorsPremium join:2002-01-02 Gainesville, FL | reply to robbin You're right, OP never gave dimensions. I was giving a cost comparison for X amount of wall space, I wasn't trying to give him a job estimate. You can pull those knickers out of your bum now. |
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