Changes in Bell AGAS network

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TSI Marc Premium,VIP join:2006-06-23 Chatham, ON kudos:16	Changes in Bell AGAS network Hey all, This is a bit of technical stuff for those who care to know. Next week we will start migrating from 2 tunnel end points to 1 tunnel end point on our AGAS setup with Bell. We've hit a hard limit on their network where we cant add any more capacity unless we migrate... We dont believe this will cause any down time, as you reconnect you'll simply end up one a tunnel end point same as before except that there will be fewer of them.. which will allow us to keep adding more. We also believe that it will help better even out the load on each link but I guess we'll have to wait and see to know that for sure. -- Marc - CEO/TekSavvy
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HiVolt Premium join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON kudos:18 Reviews: ·TekSavvy DSL ·TekSavvy Cable	I hope this will help the evening speeds... Its been terrible at times especially weekends. Any progress on Bell offering 10gig links? You'll never be able to offer 50/10 reliably when that is available to you. -- F**K THE NHL. Go Blue Jays 2013!!!
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InvalidError join:2008-02-03 kudos:5	said by HiVolt: Any progress on Bell offering 10gig links? You'll never be able to offer 50/10 reliably when that is available to you. They technically could do it on 1GbE. It just wouldn't be financially viable due to the tariffs' structure and how CBB is billed on a per-link basis rather than aggregate peak.
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Guspaz Guspaz Premium,MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC kudos:20	reply to TSI Marc Yeah, I was going to ask about the 10 gig ones. How is the MLPPP stuff set up these days? Is that still on separate hardware/links? -- Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org
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HiVolt Premium join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON kudos:18 Reviews: ·TekSavvy DSL ·TekSavvy Cable	reply to InvalidError said by InvalidError: said by HiVolt: Any progress on Bell offering 10gig links? You'll never be able to offer 50/10 reliably when that is available to you. They technically could do it on 1GbE. It just wouldn't be financially viable due to the tariffs' structure and how CBB is billed on a per-link basis rather than aggregate peak. I wasn't talking about that... I was talking more about congestion on the links since there is no load balancing between them, resulting in some being overused, and others under-used. This has always been an issue, and the more 1gig links TSI offers and the faster speeds that are offered, the bigger this problem becomes. -- F**K THE NHL. Go Blue Jays 2013!!!
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TSI Marc Premium,VIP join:2006-06-23 Chatham, ON kudos:16	reply to HiVolt said by HiVolt: I hope this will help the evening speeds... Its been terrible at times especially weekends. Any progress on Bell offering 10gig links? You'll never be able to offer 50/10 reliably when that is available to you. We just added two more links last week, that's a total of 8 gig in the last 3 months that we've added.. we'll continue monitoring it but whatever is going on now is likely more due to improper balance between the links still as they continue to load balance.. going to one link should also help this. -- Marc - CEO/TekSavvy
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Phibian join:2009-06-01 Ottawa, ON Reviews: ·TekSavvy DSL	reply to TSI Marc Thank you for the update Marc. I do hope that this will help with the congestion issues (still seeing an average of 1% loss per line. 2 lines = about 2% average packet loss). I too would be interested to know why Bell is not moving you guys to 10G links given the issues and your size?
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MaynardKrebs Premium join:2009-06-17 kudos:4	^^^ $$$$
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jcmh join:2008-12-13 Ottawa, ON	reply to TSI Marc said by TSI Marc: said by HiVolt: I hope this will help the evening speeds... Its been terrible at times especially weekends. Any progress on Bell offering 10gig links? You'll never be able to offer 50/10 reliably when that is available to you. We just added two more links last week, that's a total of 8 gig in the last 3 months that we've added.. we'll continue monitoring it but whatever is going on now is likely more due to improper balance between the links still as they continue to load balance.. going to one link should also help this. Won't Bell let you LACP those links in some sort of way? I mean, if you're paying for each individually, I don't see how they could justify not doing it from that perspective.
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Phibian join:2009-06-01 Ottawa, ON	reply to MaynardKrebs Sure but at some point the cost of maintaining that many links comes into play too. 10G isn't as costly as it once was either.
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InvalidError join:2008-02-03 kudos:5	reply to HiVolt said by HiVolt: I wasn't talking about that... I was talking more about congestion on the links since there is no load balancing between them, resulting in some being overused, and others under-used. This has always been an issue, and the more 1gig links TSI offers and the faster speeds that are offered, the bigger this problem becomes. If capacity billing was on the aggregated peak rather than individual links, getting enough links to reduce the likelihood of maxing any of them out would be much more affordable. What I was saying is that the way the tariffs and CBB work make a bad situation worse than it should be.
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TSI Marc Premium,VIP join:2006-06-23 Chatham, ON kudos:16	reply to TSI Marc So, after poking a bit more, last night I was informed that there are 4 of the links that are actually congested on the Bell end of things and they need to be re-provisioned to free up the full capacity. This does help to explain the discrepancy between the feedback we're getting from you guys and what we're seeing on the network on our side. More to follow once I have more details. -- Marc - CEO/TekSavvy
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Guspaz Guspaz Premium,MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC kudos:20	reply to TSI Marc Good to hear. YouTube 1080p was unwatchable last night. I had a friend over and we was trying to show him a few YouTube videos, and had to constantly appologize for the stream freezing to buffer. -- Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org
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Phibian join:2009-06-01 Ottawa, ON	reply to TSI Marc Ah that would explain some things. Will this be part of the switch to one endpoint next week or is this separate (and if separate is there an ETA for it)?
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Mike2009 join:2009-01-13 Ottawa, ON kudos:3 Reviews: ·TekSavvy DSL	reply to Guspaz said by Guspaz: Good to hear. YouTube 1080p was unwatchable last night. I had a friend over and we was trying to show him a few YouTube videos, and had to constantly appologize for the stream freezing to buffer. Same issue here this morning. Reminds me of the old days with 3web.
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MrMazda86 join:2013-01-29 Kitchener, ON	reply to TSI Marc Does this outage affect Kitchener/Waterloo (namely, the old Sherwood exchange) by chance? I've been noticing some interesting trends over the last few days that I haven't seemed to notice before.
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Liberty25 join:2013-02-01	reply to TSI Marc Thank you for the update, Marc. I'm glad to hear that TSI is aware of the problem and working to fix it. I like TSI, so I always give you benefit of the doubt when there's a problem and I just wait it out, figuring that someone must be working to fix it. But my connection getting extremely slow every day during peak time for months is starting to wear on me. Like many people, the internet is such a big part of my life that it's hard to shrug this off... Hopefully this will be fixed for good soon. Cheers.
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TSI Martin Premium join:2006-02-23 Chatham, ON kudos:23	said by Liberty25: But my connection getting extremely slow every day during peak time for months is starting to wear on me. Like many people, the internet is such a big part of my life that it's hard to shrug this off... Could we ask that you post in the »TekSavvy Direct forum so we can look at what's going for you. Thanks, Martin -- TSI Martin (Escalations / E-Services) - TekSavvy Solutions Inc. Authorized TSI employee ( »»TekSavvy FAQ »Official support in the forum ) Follow us on Twitter : @TekSavvyCSR ; @TekSavvyNetwork
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UK_Dave join:2011-01-27 Powassan, ON kudos:2 Reviews: ·TekSavvy DSL ·Bell Sympatico	Liberty, Bring it back to the public forum if you get somewhere. I'm massively affected too - to the point of unusability. North Bay, ON area. Also, if you get chance - do you have neighbours on, say, Bell? How are their connections when your connection is bad? Cheers Dave
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HeadSpinning MNSi Internet join:2005-05-29 Windsor, ON kudos:5	reply to InvalidError said by InvalidError: If capacity billing was on the aggregated peak rather than individual links, getting enough links to reduce the likelihood of maxing any of them out would be much more affordable. What I was saying is that the way the tariffs and CBB work make a bad situation worse than it should be. 10G AGAS and/or LAG would help significantly. -- MNSi Internet - »www.mnsi.net
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